EVE General Discussion

Well you seem to not understand the fact that in EVE you MAKE your own content.
Secondly what are you talking about lack of content being introduced - the threat of a semi-sentient NPC race invading known space and almost one-shooting capitals and everything sporting an Entosis Link is not enough for you?

Not really, well i do understand that a Group can make a competition, make war, plan to kill People, make alot of stuff, to use, sell ect ect. But this is content we are only available to make bye the set of gamerules provided by EVE. To make content is to be able "to alter the static eniviroment", but aint allowed by EVE.

EVE provide New content, but in reality its Hollow content, EVE has given us a New NPC race, but With all the other npc races, they dont really affect us unless we seek them up. A more intelligent controlled NPC would be more interesting, or changes in systems in hi, low and null sec which alter Our perseption and angle on how to interact, play and develop.

They closed Down all gates in Jove Space, a repetition of that all over New eden, would make a hole New content and twist, but that would lead to a cry seremoni from many players.

Im giving Word for a minority that rearly being allowed to speak in the forum, cuz the forum users tend to be very mainstream and will revolt against all that would make them change their approach obn the game... non the least threathen their Income.

If a person is in a sandbox where they can do anything they can imagine, and they are still bored, it's not the sand that is the problem, it's their lack of imagination.

Really, this "give me more content" whining I here all the time for people in PVE circles is irratating. When I get home every day (and after completing the obligatory "honey do" lists bestowed on my unworthy self by the Queen-Empress of my House, long my she Reign...at least until my next wife graduates from high school) I find I have TOO MUCH to do.

Do I:

-Go out solo in something I EFT'd up while at lunch at work and see how long it takes me to die in low sec

-log in my incursion runner and make isk while shooting the breeze on comms

-log in my alliance pvp character and see if any fleets are out

-log in my anomaly crew and smash Havens till I get an escalation?

-Join up with Spectre fleet in my lovely Moa or Hurricane and slap some hapless Sov null guys around like a wife at a NFL player's house?

-Pester my buddy on Skype so we can dive into a c4 wormhole with our Gilas and Tengus and see if we can make some blue looty cash without getting killed?

-Jump clone to Thera , undock and die (again)

-Run missions in some new way I EFT'd at work that probably won't work at all (lvl 4 Worlds Collide + jackdaw in speed mode = GO)

-Blitz burner missions in curse and try to not get my Dramiel splashed on a gate somewhere.

Etc etc etc. Going on 8 years and still haven't gotten 'bored'. Personally I'm like that in real life, I remember one time as a kid the school took us on a 'nature outing;. Most of my class was bored and runnign around chasing each other, i was gathering sticks to see if i could build a fire like my older step brother did in boy scouts.

I succeeded , and was never allowed to go on a nature outing again



Most of the people who cry for more content are 'self-limiting' types that don't do anything but the same lvl 4 missions over and over again and wonder why they are bored. They should be playing some episodic themepark game where the DEVs deliver "DLC" every few weeks for them to mindlessly consume.

It's not EVE or CCPs lack of 'giving content' that is their problem, it's the failure to acknowledge their incompatibility with a Sandbox game that requires a self-starting attitude that is the problem.

i dont get why people are soo anti-pvp, your shooting guns what is the problem, what is the difference between shooting an ai and shooting a player, you want more advanced ai sorry but you cant get more advanced ai than a human who thinks for himself so that is your content, not more pve, pvp...

It is never enough. That's the core problem with dev-provided/PvE content: it is entirely static, pre-determined, and only meant for consumption. Once consumed (which happens very quickly), people will be back clamouring for more. That's also why it's a fool's errand to try to cater to such wishes: it's an infinite effort-sink that leads nowhere.


Eh no.
What EVE very specifically allows, that almost no other game does, is to alter a dynamic environment. Just because the content abides by the game ruleset (which all content does, otherwise it can't really be a part of the game, now can it?) does not mean it's static. You seem to be confusing “content” with the kind of predetermined not-actually-dynamic environmental changes that some games apply to player instances when the player progresses through a storyline. That is not an alteration of a static environment — that's just a 100% static (at best) branching path with some game asset juggling attached.

Making content has nothing to do with breaking the game rules. Content that breaks the rules is commonly referred to as “broken” and in need of immediate fixing.

Yes. That's how environmental sandbox content works. Unless you choose to be in that environment, it will not do anything for you. It's your choice. If you choose to sit around in the upper left corner of the sandbox, the lower right corner will not come over to entertain you — you will not be spoon-fed; you will have to make an adventure out of it on your own initiative.

That's also why the true dynamic, non-hollow content of the game comes from other players: because it's a part of the environment that is almost completely outside of your control and which will respond dynamically to what you do according to its own will. The specifics you seem to be asking for are all already in the game. They just don't come from the devs and aren't controlled by a script. Instead, they're the results of a myriad of emergent player interactions.

Which is the beauty of the method the guy uses in the video, MJD as soon as you come out of warp (before you even get neuted) past the Structure (and thus out of neut range), kill structure, book mark loot can or tractor it in, and F-off. I haven't had to use a cap booster charge in that plex in months.

The only way i lost my Varg was to a XXPizza log in trap lol. I couldn't even stand to drive past Pizza Inn or Dominoes in real life after that, i was so ticked off

Welped last night; https://zkillboard.com/character/95626890/

The reason? I was watching Complication AtBirth's twitch stream as he was running data and relic sites in Angel space.

He was pretty good at getting about in Nullsec and was also discussing being stream camped twice in the last week, I fired 95mil isk his way.

Then I set about my task, to longhaul my Impairor all the way from Conoban up to DVHF in Angel Space.

The entrance to low-sec was empty and the long route through to his position in null was, for the most part, scattered with roams, including an Ares that started moving away from my location after the gate fire, that managed to half-lock my Impairor before it entered warp.

I was overtaken heading to the gate but the pilots waiting for me did not go through, as I entered the new system a cruiser roam was parked on the gate with Orthrus and other ships there. As I warped away they went through the gate to enter combat.

After 15 jumps with only 10 left to go I landed on a bubble, asked the Thrasher pilot to let me past however he popped my noob ship and the pod.

As you can see there was a lot of content, all revolving around data and relic sites and the very competent pilot Complication AtBirth.

This did take 30mins though.

The only way there is no content in eve is if all the corp decide to make a non-aggression pact forever. If no one shoots anything there is no content. Can you imagine a peacefull new eden. Thats the end of content.

If you don't see content you are not looking hard enough.

Don't get me wrong here but I don't think "content" is the problem.

The problem is the players.


Why does a game need so much "content" when there is so much freedom to create your own content that has much potential to be random and have unpredictable outcomes?

And let's be perfectly honest here. I know it, veterans know it, everybody over 30 knows it. But the people who are part of the problem are completely blind to it:


All "content" does is keep the quick-gratification-short-attention-span crowd (the people who were given too much Ritalin in their youth?) interested for a week or two.

Has the helicopter parenting of the 1990s and the last decade come to this fruition whereby all those kids who were being carted from one activity/lesson/playdate/etc to the next on a strict schedule laid out by mommy are now grown up playing video games and expecting the world to be just like the way they were raised, with "content" laid out on a carefully scheduled and crafted silver platter?

Sorry, those of us who in our youth just "went outside and played" know an entirely different world. I had my first boat at age 13 for example. Yes at 13 I was out on the harbor on my 10' boat fishing. I was not being driven to soccer practice, then some strip mall karate, then playdate with some other hapless kid.

Sometimes we put on armor (anything we could find) and had medieval battles and kept at it until somebody bled. Fortunately nobody lost an eye.

So why should CCP go through the trouble to create new content when all that's going to happen is the min-maxers are going to eat it up in a few weeks, get bored, and then leave?

All they would be doing is catering to the "needs" of people who were raised poorly.


Real content comes from the players and it appears that CCP is introducing new ships and modules to keep the creativity fueled.

So there is no new "content" to aspergerly absorb for 2 weeks, like mission chains or regions to exploit, then become all "meh" about?

Tough.

I suspect this game will be remembered for it's "lack of content" and how great that was. It will be remembered in a world made extremely boring by poorly raised millenials who made everything illegal because somebody's feelings might get hurt or someone might get upset.

Lack of content? YOU <--- content