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Reasons for/against WiS (Discussion)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2015-06-10 19:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
chaos666wraith wrote:
Hello meatbags, I have come once again to remind you what real EVE developers have to say about this matter because your memory seems to have been wiped or corrupted once more:


CCP Bayesian wrote:
Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being.
CCP Bayesian wrote:
There are a bunch of people internally still enthusiastic about creating some things to actually do as an avatar but until such time as it's a priority for our Executive Board it's not going to happen.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#102 - 2015-06-10 19:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
I found some links on WiS that might be relevant.

Heres a good one.

This one too.

Good info here.

South Park talked about WiS.

Might be helpful.

I like this one.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#103 - 2015-06-10 20:01:03 UTC
i think its pretty ignorant (yeah strong word used) to consider removing walking in stations, you're basically trying to force everyone to play with you, meanwhile there are players who actually enjoy the interiors while monitoring the markets and such. next thing you know when and if it gets removed. you'll go right back into the circle of endless debates trying to place blame on something else.

I look at it this way, eve needs to evolve and grow up and stop all the endless debating. other games are coming far along and competition is on its way, and guess what.. They have Walking in stations.. hec you get your own Hanger for pete's sake.. you can walk around in your HANGER! oh my gosh new idea here.. but eve goes "we want to make sure no one sits in station and is forced to play with us cause we're dying numbers already and players are leaving for better games.. so force them to undock ccp.. force them to do it!"..

I know there's plenty of denial with some of you but again players casual and mainstream have plenty options to go out and enjoy instead of sitting here waiting for slowpokes at ccp to figure out where they went wrong, debate about it, debate when to fix it, debate when to evolve, debate when to move forward, debate when to fix it, and lastly debate when to finally change.


get with the program ccp, you guys are slow, awfully slow and you remove the walking in stations watch just how boring this game speeds up becoming.

whats the point of selling gear for your avatar when in fact no one else can even share the same room with you.. whats the point of "the scope" videos when in fact you never allowed people to stand/sit in the same dang room.

it just doesn't add up

and welp plenty or finally waking up and departing and ending their recurring subs due to it.
Brapi
Doomheim
#104 - 2015-06-10 20:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Brapi
So,

I'm new.

Imagine for a second that I advocated changes to flying in spce, shooting spacey type things.

-> And someone checked my killboard.

Now, imagine If I wanted WiS to be implemented fully within EVE.

With provision for 'common area', time limitation (make those locator agents work for you) like 1hr per day with 'let me know when s/he leaves his/her quarters' requests. War Dec active members of enemy corps can fight each other in station. You can overspend your time in station, lose your clone and it's implants and wake up at your med clone facility and need to fly back for your ship.

If I said all this as a character that had spent many hours docked in a station this would be legitimate

If I was saying "CCP throw all your money at PvP, don't worry my friends know my main has 99% kb efficiency on it's own sheet" from this sheet, would it not identify the attempt to derail a thread / troll the now conformist OP?

I think for CCP to consider reasons for and against WiS they should consider the playerbase, absolutely. That same 'winning' playerbase is still sat with an idea of a dwindling population, despite having their choice selected as corporate output from the hosting company CCP hf.

Tweetfleet Slack - 1225 Members - 421 in Lore channel.

This tells you that more than a third of all players in the same chat client as CCP Devs want LORE.

This forum explains that it's not worth the effort.

In more advocation for WiS the number of 'loose' games out there (mainly having trouble solving avatar jumps) with healthy player bases is very large. There are many successful clones of the concept 'players log in, walk around, and interact' most of them have more PvE servers than PvP servers.

Yes this kinda points to last bastion of all things pvp and holy. You'd be somewhat right, were it not for the fact that EVE is the number one Science Fiction based Game on the market.



It's in a very good position in respect of ingame fighting, Valkyrie looks good at it's initial Alpha, Dust yeye sure same time as PlanetSide2 and on PSN as well, just as PS offered PS4 instead of PS3 last year and Dust is locked to PS3, we get that.

Finishing WiS / EVA Relic site escalation / Dust-to-EVE avatar interaction would bring CCP hf. closer to that 'commonly idolised utopian but undeliverable vision' that would also be needed for Legion. Considering the income stream for WoD was not WoD pre-order, you can safely work from the footing that the money was there, and by attempting to branch out into vampire territory the reputed brand did not penetrate the market sufficiently to justify further expenditure.

EVE would have riots where people quit if the same budget was spent on WiS, yet they say 'not a lot' in respect of WoD here.


ripper in pepperonies
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#105 - 2015-06-10 20:32:02 UTC
While I wouldn't mind putting the torch to orher players CQ, it's certainly not a priority either.

Remove standings and insurance.

Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#106 - 2015-06-10 20:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Thank you tippia. At least I have a "no" now.

Ccp should make leaving the CQ a dangerous thing if it were to ever happen, and not make every station walkable. More along the lines of only corporate headquarters placed in space can be walked around in.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#107 - 2015-06-10 21:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Everyone needs to quiet down for a moment and listen up. Something far more important than a WiS discussion has occurred in here.

I'd like to take this opportunity to be the first to congratulate Ralph King-Griffin for his 10,000th like on the EVE forums!
I am honored to say that I am personally responsible for the like in question.

This thread may have started as a discussion on WiS, but it will always be remembered for something far more significant. I am proud to have been a part of it.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#108 - 2015-06-10 21:37:24 UTC
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#109 - 2015-06-10 21:44:54 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Looks at recent updates, looks at OP post, looks at recent updates again, shakes head and leaves...



it took them 11 years to finally figure out that update release schedule

11 years to change the way they rolled out expansion.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#110 - 2015-06-10 22:22:54 UTC
Removed a hilariously inappropriate link.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

molly666trillions
Cyber Chaos Crew
#111 - 2015-06-10 22:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: molly666trillions
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
Everyone needs to quiet down for a moment

Just link them some VRporn, I'm sure that will quiet them for a while.

Regarding WiS I don't think CCP has the ballz to release it anytime soon. Many people including myself have offered them free money that would be transferred immediately into CCP's bank account upon release but nothing was done.

CyberChaosCrewTV

Offering a (small) ISK bonus for doing community work in a provable way is from my personal perspective fine.

Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#112 - 2015-06-10 22:51:28 UTC
OP, i see your points and where you're going, but eve is a game about internet spaceships. i have no great desire to walk around in a station and "interact" with other players.

eve is a fantastic game as is and i don't feel it's needed.

having said that, i have to admit that some of your descriptions of what you'd like to see implemented are enticing, but a few of them would require an insane amount of code and artwork to apply seamlessly, and i'm left wondering how much lag it would consistently introduce to each node?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#113 - 2015-06-10 22:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed a hilariously inappropriate link.


I missed it, someone message me that link.

[edit: Nope, not actually funny, just highly inappropriate. Such is life.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#114 - 2015-06-10 22:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Ursula Thrace wrote:
how much lag it would consistently introduce to each node?

No lag, its completely separated from the nodes, all you get is chat and who is inside station, actione is just on the other node in EVE. Its how I understand it from dev explanations, but maybe my memory is fading.

About costs, you are right, they are putting money in Valkyrie and probably other projects in VR, or even DUST on PC (very silently).
http://eve-online.info/uploads/captains-quarters.jpg You can always dream about it. Lol
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#115 - 2015-06-10 23:10:26 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
how much lag it would consistently introduce to each node?

No lag, its completely separated from the nodes, all you get is chat and who is inside station, actione is just on the other node in EVE. Its how I understand it from dev explanations, but maybe my memory is fading.


nana, thanks for clarifying that and educating me.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#116 - 2015-06-10 23:12:34 UTC
Argyle Jones wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Cyborg Girl86 wrote:
... If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, ...
The current direction of making everything lifeless and dull, default ship skins, Neocom, et cetera.
I would rather WiS creation is postponed until the development direction changes.
When's the last time CCP came out with something for EVE that just blew your mind? When's the last time we saw something completely new, rather than some incremental add-on or change to old content?
Point missed.
I am not saying, they should never bring out WiS.
I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Memphis Baas
#117 - 2015-06-10 23:28:32 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now.


Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago).
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#118 - 2015-06-11 00:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
Memphis Baas wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now.


Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago).


Don't bring X:Afterbirth into this. There was a reason everyone downloaded the "never enter stations again" mod. The ONLY thing it got right... holographic table dancers.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#119 - 2015-06-11 00:43:49 UTC
Elite PVP'ist says.. "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT WiS, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SPACESHIP!"

Normal gamer says....."but I like to wear different shoes, hairstyle, socializing with other players, I like sitting on the couch, I want to RP a scope news movie date in my CQ, I want to hold a meeting with friends in my CQ and show them my fleet ships, etc"

Elite PVP'ist says... "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT ANY OF THAT! THATS NOT CONTENT! YOU SHOULD UNDOCK AND FIGHT!! FIGHT! FIGHT!... BE UBER AND AWESOME LIKE ME AND PRESS THE F1 button...SCREW CQ's"

Normal Gamer says.... "this place is just boring, no innovation, nothing but everyone suggest pew pew im buying a PS4 and screw this mmo..i'll go enjoy final fantasy instead"

CCP says "at this time we have to lay off employee's cause revenue dried up and we cant figure out what happened"

Fozzie says ... "but cloaky camping wasn't a problem," - eve closure 20XX
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2015-06-11 01:09:40 UTC
I would have loved Walk in Station.
But CCP is not competent.
Maybe will i find it in another game.