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CCP increase subs for Norwegians by almost 50%

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Master Kent'sslave
Alternative Royal Dynamics
RAZOR Alliance
#101 - 2015-06-10 19:14:20 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service."

Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company.




ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#102 - 2015-06-10 19:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago

That's not what it says in the message you posted in the OP, and if the law is 4 years old, it is hardly surprising that they have to pay VAT, now is it? Again, the bigger mystery is how and why you were allowed to be billed in USD for so long.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2015-06-10 19:30:01 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. P


Ummmm...

Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ....
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#104 - 2015-06-10 19:32:02 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. P

Ummmm...

Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ....

The thing that doesn't measure subscriptions? Checking that wouldn't particularly help (or hinder) him.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#105 - 2015-06-10 19:36:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. P

Ummmm...

Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ....

The thing that doesn't measure subscriptions? Checking that wouldn't particularly help (or hinder) him.


It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too.

Remember, it were actually much higher than 35K 6 months ago, as dropping numbers from recent months have dragged also last 6 months number down.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#106 - 2015-06-10 19:42:54 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too.
Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees.

it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#107 - 2015-06-10 19:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
Tippia wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too.
Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees.

it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why.


Anyway, think it still hints CCP gets less money from subscriptions. Think that´s the point behind all of this, that we dont say out loud.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#108 - 2015-06-10 20:14:07 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. P


Ummmm...

Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ....


Im referring to the RATE as in the money we are paying CCP... how long has it been $15 a month? What?

yeah, from the beginning. so unless CCP's maintenance and operation cost didn't change for the past 10 yrs, subscription rate should have increased together with other products/commodities.

so QQing about a SMALL increase is seems silly to me....

Just Add Water
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#109 - 2015-06-10 20:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
Nat Silverguard wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. P


Ummmm...

Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ....


Im referring to the RATE as in the money we are paying CCP... how long has it been $15 a month? What?

yeah, from the beginning. so unless CCP's maintenance and operation cost didn't change for the past 10 yrs, subscription rate should have increased together with other products/commodities.

so QQing about a SMALL increase is seems silly to me....


Ah ok.

And well, I guess CCP uses that 15 dollar/euro amount as a basic value that they then base other currencies on (obviously according to their purchasing power).


EDIT: so, yeah, Norwegians now pay bills of Russians Lol
Paranoid Loyd
#110 - 2015-06-10 20:30:16 UTC
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service."

Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company.




ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago

I think you need to read it again, it does not say that there are new laws, it says they need to start charging for VAT, those are two different things.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Master Kent'sslave
Alternative Royal Dynamics
RAZOR Alliance
#111 - 2015-06-10 20:31:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago

That's not what it says in the message you posted in the OP, and if the law is 4 years old, it is hardly surprising that they have to pay VAT, now is it? Again, the bigger mystery is how and why you were allowed to be billed in USD for so long.




get wrecked u ******



OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#112 - 2015-06-10 20:33:44 UTC
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago

That's not what it says in the message you posted in the OP, and if the law is 4 years old, it is hardly surprising that they have to pay VAT, now is it? Again, the bigger mystery is how and why you were allowed to be billed in USD for so long.




get wrecked u ******



OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011


#plsnopoor

Can i haz your stuffz?

Just Add Water
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#113 - 2015-06-10 20:33:49 UTC
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
get wrecked u ******
Learn to read, ********.

Quote:
OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011
No. That is not what the announcement says.
Paranoid Loyd
#114 - 2015-06-10 20:40:00 UTC
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011
It does not say this. Read it again.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2015-06-10 20:40:14 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service."

Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company.




ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago

I think you need to read it again, it does not say that there are new laws, it says they need to start charging for VAT, those are two different things.



Which kind of support the "they were not charging before but now actually will" theory...
Master Kent'sslave
Alternative Royal Dynamics
RAZOR Alliance
#116 - 2015-06-10 20:41:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
get wrecked u ******
Learn to read, ********.

[quote]OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011
No. That is not what the announcement says.
[/quote




hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread
Paranoid Loyd
#117 - 2015-06-10 20:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
get wrecked u ******
Learn to read, ********.

[quote]OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011
No. That is not what the announcement says.
[/quote




hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread

This has nothing to do with grammar, it's more of a reading comprehension issue, and it is only you not all Norwegians, nor does it have anything to do with the fact you are Norwegian, nice try though.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2015-06-10 20:42:42 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Tippia wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too.
Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees.

it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why.


Anyway, think it still hints CCP gets less money from subscriptions. Think that´s the point behind all of this, that we dont say out loud.


So because they get loss money, they decided to charge more but to only 1 country? Sucks to live in Norway I guess... Who's taking bet on the next country?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2015-06-10 20:44:31 UTC
Master Kent'sslave wrote:




hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread


Yeah we make the thread about Norwegian grammar when the pasted text was more than likely written down by someone from Iceland.

Makes sense...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#120 - 2015-06-10 20:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
hehe ur a funny one.
No. I'm just plain old right.
You have repeatedly failed to read the announcement, and roughly everyone else have understood completely what it says by now.

Thus: learn to read.

Quote:
read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread

That's good advice, and you really should heed it. After all, you're the only one whose reading comprehension is subpar and who's suggested that Norwegians should be bashed for their grammar (which makes no sense whatsoever as others have already pointed out).