EVE General Discussion

Years after starting adventure in this game current eve universe look so small to me.
Do you think this game could be enriched by creating new npc regions sized similar to Venal or Stain but having station count similar to Great Wildlands.

Maybe we could get even new ring of "uncharted" space around all current universe, or gigantic region starting near Black Rise , passing by Forge , Metropolis, Domain, The Spire and ending between Querious and Stain
Something like this

http://i.imgur.com/K8iA2sH.png

Let say that we are talking about 500 new systems and less than 10 stations in them.
Perfect place to live when the new citadels will starting to show up at the end of this year.
500 new systems is something that CCP infrastructure can manage.

Will this be shortcut to eve universe for capitals - something that needs to be decided , and easily modified by adjusting ranges between systems.

Some new 'K' space after all those years will not harm any one CCP - and many players might resub just to see what can they do there.

If we get good number of connections to higsec , many higsec groups might decide to start to live there.

It is not about empty space but about something new and about new possibilities.
Currently all eve space is owned or utilized by someone - remember that i am talking about new NPC space.

Imagine yourself so gigantic region offering new possibilities, all along the way it can be connected to various higsec and lowsec systems while at the same time offering the possibility to enter it in Venal and leave it in Stain.

This can be home region for rouge drones.

Sorry but wormholes are totally different space.
They offer totally different possibilities, and are usually used as a direct shortcut between Point A and Point B.

What i am thinking that moving from Venal to Stain / The Spire , by those systems would be crossing around 80-100 systems along the way.

This is not more Sov space, but NPC space.
Difference between those two types of space is very big.

I really hope that making good number of higsec/lowsec connections all along the way will persuade more higsec corps to venture into those systems and check what it is there.

Why Stain or Venal is quite empty now?
Because you cannot get there directly from lowsec or higsec space.
There is no gate that might allow for a migration of new groups of players - so people that need easy logistic route , so that they can haul supply not using fleet of JF but T2 or even T1 indy ships.

This kind of space will also create totally new group of players , that will have home station in higsec , but making every day living in non station NPC space.
Those people will slowly learning how to live and operate in more dangerous locations.

I think you're wrong here. A lot of peope actually make a living in these "shortcuts". I understand that this is not what you are asking for. Still With the Rhea release 101 new systems were added to the galaxy, one of them arguably an NPC system. As others pointed out there is no real use for new space as the existing one is quite empty.

Other than themepark mmos where you have to add new zones with higher level mobs every expansion in Eve we are fine with the existing worlds. I don't see any benefit of adding more of the same.

I have wished for new space for years as well. But the main argument I have against it is the speed of colonization. In the early years player count was much lower and as it grew people stretched out organically as they grew in skill points, isk wallets, organizations, etc. By the time of the introduction of WH space, the first NEW space in Eve, players had gotten a certain level of comfort with the game, its mechanics and how to "game" the systems in place. This created a landrush early on and of course the unintended inhabitations of WHs. In fact it happened so quickly, quicker than the original growth and spreading out of Eve in the beginning. About 1.5 years compared to a few years time.

The reality that faces any new space, true new space, is how fast that the players will inhabit, colonize and exploit the system. The more players with the isk, understanding of the game, etc we have in game the faster this happens. And each iteration of truly new space will be colonized faster and faster in real time. This ironically creates a problem on its own in my mind. As once done, like a level cap in other MMOs, theres really no more new content and its a dead feature in a sense.

This will make it a very interesting balancing act for CCP to actually create new systems with enough of a difference, a truly MEANINGFUL difference, that adds to the game, enriches the gaming experience, adds value and gives more options to us as gamers without just giving us more systems because they can that are exactly like the old ones.

That being said Id love new systems as well. So go go go CCP!!

Have you asked yourself why player base is shrinking? ( excluding tons of alts that where un-subscribed because of the isboxer and jump range changes)

Currently you still need to be in big block in order to go to nullsec.
This issue was haunting eve for so long , that many small groups died out , or lost its identity by joining bigger group at some point.

Wormholes become more dangerous and more unfriendly to a casual players , as the number of WH connections increased.
Lets not forget also about 200 man T3 fleets that WH coalitions can now form and evict someone as they like.

What i am proposing is vast NPC nullsec space without stations , deeply connected to higsec / lowsec space and directly accessible from there.

This space will be place where player can grow , where tons of content , and fun will be created.
Without stations NO big group will move in.

This will be place where new groups can develop them self , as they can have higsec gate "just 1 jump away."
Small groups don't have riches , and possibilities typical nullsec guy is capable. No capital fleet, jf and knowledge - they need to have option to develop them self - option that currently is very limited as they not only need to compete against new mechanics, lack of knowledge , but also with the tons of alts of more experienced players.

Eve badly needs this space , extending connections from this space to most of the NPC NULL regions will aslo benefit every one , as casual players will have ability to move.

I don't think that creating new space, or maintaining it on current infrastructure will be big issue for CCP.
Empty systems in sov don't create much load, also when there is lone traveling ship from time to time.

Why nullsec and not lowsec space?
Because it offer much more possibilities - like gatecamps and no SS lose.

Balace in new space?
- no stations
- NPC space ( no sov upgrades)
- higher sec status , let say -0.35 to 0.0.
- drone npc region ( no loot table - something that can be adjusted )
- moongoo ? spawning some better moons in deeper pockets can be a thing, but creating region without r64 moons is not something that CCP cannot do. CCP can even create new mineral that will be linked to some new industry.

Just to summarize.
CCP if you want player base to grow - give new casual players place they can have fun, without the strain of logistics, bloobs, and all the alts of all null sec groups.

Firstly, you really don't need to be in a 'big block' to live in null.

Secondly, why would you think no large group would move into this new space? If you can anchor a POS they'll be there and if there is a way to make a living from the moons and anomalies in that space they will be there in numbers, quickly.

There are dozens of corps and alliances that will welcome you and people like you into sov or npc null sec space, look them up.

A pirate's dream .

No i am talking about space that have :
- static connections to systems , like any other space , so gates that are main entry point to a system
- rats on belts , so players can easily generate income
- local chat , as lack of it is very terrifying for many new players

So region like any other.

What i am suggesting is new space that will be big, spread and connected to multiple regions.
We are talking about 30-40 new higsec to nullsec connections.

So 30-40 gates similar to HED where people can put camp up.

Why current group will not move into this space?
Because if it will be designed well , it will not be able to support bigger group.
How many nullsec groups will move back to higsec just to camp some gate?

This NPC space will be place where new groups can learn and grow it will be at some point inhabited by new types of players that can be independent from big blobs all around the map.

Because of this multiple higsec gates many players will decide to put some pos in there and check if they manage to survive and make profit in nullsec.

Bigger groups, are lazy , and they will not venture capitals into this region , as 4 jumps one way , without a station , just to ref/kill small tower is quite annoying.

Why this space will be different from current lowsec?
Because this lowsec is populated by well organized groups, used as staging for many null alliances , groups that have "titan range" to almost every possible place, and tons of capitals and assets waiting for action on a station.