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[CLRGY] The Amarr People are justified in the Reclaiming.

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RhajKa
Unity Ventures
#1 - 2015-06-10 10:57:09 UTC
Transcript of the Sermon on the Justification of the Reclaiming


Few things have contributed more to the doubts being raised of the justification of the Reclaiming than the last two hundred years of conflict in New Eden.

The races that have been encountered and the relativistic outlook that they mistakenly share have put Amarrians in the position of being scorned and hated for striving to enlighten publicly their faith to the ignorant masses.


Some formerly staunch Amarrian groups have changed theological course, moving away from the orthodox understanding of God and his faith, thus compromising the effectiveness of the Reclaiming.

Further some Amarrians have also been prone to complicate or erroneously expand their understanding of the Reclaiming — playing down the expansion of the faith in favor of diplomatic causes and other unorthodox endeavors, allowing the Reclaiming to become secondary in such acts.

God calls Amarrians to return to the mandate of the Reclaiming, recognizing that being Amarr is nothing without the drive to spread God’s word. If it is not reaching, converting and multiplying the faithful, it is not Amarrian.

Reclaiming is a grace from God, not a skill, it is not something that succeeds or fails because of human strength. Reclaiming is God’s work, and it will go on with or without Amarr and God and his saving justice will not be thwarted by our inactivity. Amarrians must become focused on spreading the faith through acts of rigid justice and expansion.

In the Reclaiming of God’s people, then, both words and deeds are necessary.
The Faith must be proclaimed to all – that is the mission of God and so that is the purpose of the Amarrians. Let our deeds speak louder than our words!

Your most humble and lowly of servants

Rahj Ka
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-06-10 11:51:05 UTC
Our people spent many centuries living with the Amarr creed. Ultimately your people's faith was no match for the fury of the Tribes.

If there is a God it is sending you a different message, your civilisation has been in steady decline. Now the Drifters move through Amarr space unopposed, with a huge fleet poised to invade. Perhaps finally your hate fueled empire will experience the divine fire to which you have sentenced so many to death by. Judgement for the travesty that is Vitoc is coming slaver. Say your prayers...
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#3 - 2015-06-10 11:55:09 UTC
I have a good feeling about this post! One thousand and third times the charm right?
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#4 - 2015-06-10 12:17:46 UTC
dis gon be gud

(.___________________________________________.)/

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2015-06-10 13:19:16 UTC
So, you are going to relcaim the Caldari? Is that what OP is saying? Because in the interests of peace most Amarr tap dance away from being so honest.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2015-06-10 13:22:33 UTC
Ever stop and think, "Maybe the drifters were sent by god to punish us for mutilating his teachings into something revolving around bloodshed instead of his actual message?" Don't see them as frequently in Minmatar space as much as Amarrian space....
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2015-06-10 13:46:52 UTC
Dirty minmatar heathen #2967 eagerly awaiting reclaiming. I live in J120442, please come save me from my nice life with my family. I don't want to go even one more moment without the lash.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2015-06-10 14:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Said it before. Saying it again. If you really want to lose the Golden Fleet, send it into State turf.

And if you want to learn how to cry like a little girl, try putting a collar on me.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rytha Main
Defensores Fidei
#9 - 2015-06-10 14:59:56 UTC
RhajKa wrote:


God calls Amarrians to return to the mandate of the Reclaiming, recognizing that being Amarr is nothing without the drive to spread God’s word. If it is not reaching, converting and multiplying the faithful, it is not Amarrian.



Very well said Brother Ka.

Is it my understanding that CLGRY has re-opened it's doors?
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-06-10 15:05:42 UTC
RhajKa wrote:

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Further some Amarrians have also been prone to complicate or erroneously expand their understanding of the Reclaiming — playing down the expansion of the faith in favor of diplomatic causes and other unorthodox endeavors, allowing the Reclaiming to become secondary in such acts.
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Rahj Ka


Tell me more about the Pax Amarria, and why you think you know better than Emperor Heideran VII.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#11 - 2015-06-10 15:06:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Said it before. Saying it again. If you really want to lose the Golden Fleet, send it into State turf.

And if you want to learn how to cry like a little girl, try putting a collar on me.


Well, they say they're going to reclaim us all.
These scripture lovers must have a short memory though, one of the heirs tried that with the Federation not too long ago.
Didn't end very well for them.

I do find it interesting though, how so many of them claim a book written by one of their emperors is the direct word of their god and therefore is unquestionable law.
seems a tad heretical, to take the word of man as the will of the divine.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#12 - 2015-06-10 15:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Siddhar Gangari
How convenient for the Amarr that their insatiable, animalistic drive to dominate humanity is justified by a system created by the Amarr. It's amusing to me that you're so often surprised when you try to impose that system on others and it blows up in your face. By all means, bark and howl until your empress institutes the "Reclaiming." It will fail as it did at Vak'Atioth, as it did with the Rebellion and as it has today.

God must not have your back, judging by the amount of failure you've endured. Lol
Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2015-06-10 15:28:18 UTC
CVA needs a better propaganda group.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-06-10 15:41:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
CVA needs a better propaganda group.


I wish it was CVA, they been rather absent from the Amarrian bloc as late.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#15 - 2015-06-10 16:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
iyammarrok wrote:
I do find it interesting though, how so many of them claim a book written by one of their emperors is the direct word of their god and therefore is unquestionable law.
seems a tad heretical, to take the word of man as the will of the divine.


The emperor speaks with the Voice of God. The emperor is God's messenger and so their will is God's will.

No, it's not heretical. That is orthodox. Heretical would be disputing the emperor's blessed authority.

However, the Pax Amarria is not Scripture, and His Holiness Heideran VII is not on the throne anymore. Whether its writings remain valid for our time is to be determined by Her Imperial Majesty Jamyl I and the Theology Council.


As far as diplomacy goes. Diplomacy for the sake of diplomacy is wrong. But diplomacy in the name of Reclaiming is part of our mandate. That is why we must be careful in how we deal with the interstellar community. The Reclaiming does not require violence. But it does require God's word to be spread and sin, apostasy, and heresy to be conquered. All of creation must be Reclaimed for God. The best method for doing so is determined by the emperor, as the emperor was given the power to harness the good and punish the evil.

Amarr has not stopped the Reclaiming, and never will. Diplomacy is one method of expansion, but it must be done with integrity. Amarr cannot concede our faith and culture just to appeal to foreigners, which is unfortunately what some Amarr try to advocate for.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#16 - 2015-06-10 16:51:52 UTC
Samira, We do not ask that you concede your faith...
Just stop trying to force it upon others.

Religion you see, is much like a foot long penis.
it's ok to have one.
it's ok to be proud of it.
it stops being ok when you force it upon others, no matter how much you think they'll enjoy it.
and 'i was told to' is never a valid defence. humanity has free will for a reason.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Zekiel Iyhr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2015-06-10 16:54:28 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
As far as diplomacy goes ... ... ... advocate for.


Very well said, Miss Kernher. Straight and to the point while managing to remain candid.



iyammarrok wrote:
I do find it interesting though, how so many of them claim a book written by one of their emperors is the direct word of their god and therefore is unquestionable law.
seems a tad heretical, to take the word of man as the will of the divine.


It would be appreciated if you familiarized yourself with even the most basic and commonly accepted knowledges of the Faith before attempting to undermine it with silly rhetoricals. It would help you, you know. And, God will it, you may find some parts you like and agree with.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#18 - 2015-06-10 17:49:09 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

The emperor speaks with the Voice of God. The emperor is God's messenger and so their will is God's will.

Quote:
However, the Pax Amarria is not Scripture, and His Holiness Heideran VII is not on the throne anymore. Whether its writings remain valid for our time is to be determined by Her Imperial Majesty Jamyl I and the Theology Council.


Not to question things I obviously won't understand, but how exactly are you sure she speaks his voice or whatever? People need to know servitude in your eyes to become closer to god, and in this people naturally are accustomed to pursuing their own goals without this holy purity. If it is people who proclaim this empress to be the voice of god, and at least as I've understood this logic, all people's motivations are tainted, wouldn't that proclamation be tainted as well? I am probably missing something in the logic, please excuse my ignorance on this but it just does not make a lot of sense to me.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2015-06-10 17:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
I think the whole point is that God works through the Empress and gives her a Divine Mandate. Through her the Divine Mandate passes down through the various departments of her government - well, the Theology Council at least, I'm not sure about the others. Take Heideran IV - while he was around HE had the Divine Mandate. He's dead now, so he no longer possesses it. What about the things he wrote? They had the Divine Mandate while he was alive and I suppose that they remain Divine unless the current holder of that Mandate, Jamyl Sarum, declares those writings no longer current.

I'm not sure if Holders also have a share in this Divine Mandate through their oaths to the Empress up through the feudal Holder system... Maybe?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2015-06-10 17:59:58 UTC
Hmm... that makes sense for the most part, I still don't get how they are sure this mandate isn't tainted. Maybe its just the faith thing?
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