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[CLRGY] An Observation on the Amarr Release of New Shield Technology
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Honorius Vitellius
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#1 - 2015-06-09 11:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Honorius Vitellius
In obedience to the Lord and in the illumination of His light:

I would like to direct the attention of both the faithful and also those who in the face of a mounting threat see the need to rally together towards an important aspect of recent events. Once again the holy Amarr Empire has taken action to advance the wellbeing of humanity. The newly released shield generation technology, formerly held in reserve by a select few, is now available for the protection of countless millions. This gift is another example of the exceptional role played by the Empire in human history, marking it as the greatest of civilizations.

The gift of this technology to humanity is not a sign of “desperation” or “irrationality,” but yet another example of the leading role that the Empire must play in the affairs of all. The Empire has once again innovated in a direction which will soon be followed almost everywhere. It must play this role even at the expense of treaties that no longer serve the greatest common good. The Empire is the logical rallying point and leader against the Drifter threat as well as all others.

We should take seriously the promise that those who give all to the Empire will become the heirs to everything.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#2 - 2015-06-09 15:19:37 UTC
The release of classified proprietary technology owned by a third party, to the general public, is not a sign of greatness mr Vitellius, it is either a sign of utter disregard for the rights of the owner, or a failure to understand property law.

Take from that what you will.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2015-06-09 16:02:32 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
The release of classified proprietary technology owned by a third party, to the general public, is not a sign of greatness mr Vitellius, it is either a sign of utter disregard for the rights of the owner, or a failure to understand property law.

Take from that what you will.

Hm.

Are you saying that "utter disregard for the rights of the owner" cannot be a component of greatness?

... It seems like most revolutionary movements, for example, would involve a lot of disregard for legal rights, property rights among them.
Threll Lornax
The Sleepless Vanguard
#4 - 2015-06-09 16:59:29 UTC
Change is rarely easy. It brings me joy to see that my faith in the Empire is well placed.
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#5 - 2015-06-09 17:58:38 UTC
I have no love or loyalty for the Empress or the Amarr. I am, however, a practical man who looks forward to using this technology against the slavers.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-06-09 20:22:09 UTC
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
In obedience to the Lord and in the illumination of His light:

I would like to direct the attention of both the faithful and also those who in the face of a mounting threat see the need to rally together towards an important aspect of recent events. Once again the holy Amarr Empire has taken action to advance the wellbeing of humanity. The newly released shield generation technology, formerly held in reserve by a select few, is now available for the protection of countless millions. This gift is another example of the exceptional role played by the Empire in human history, marking it as the greatest of civilizations.

The gift of this technology to humanity is not a sign of “desperation” or “irrationality,” but yet another example of the leading role that the Empire must play in the affairs of all. The Empire has once again innovated in a direction which will soon be followed almost everywhere. It must play this role even at the expense of treaties that no longer serve the greatest common good. The Empire is the logical rallying point and leader against the Drifter threat as well as all others.

We should take seriously the promise that those who give all to the Empire will become the heirs to everything.


This marks the third instance in which the actions of the Empress have been presented as "divine will", "benevolence", and a selfless desire to unify New Eden. The two prior instances resulted in gains for the Amarr Empire irrespective of the rest of the cluster. When taken in part with the core Amarrian belief as "god's chosen people" who will reclaim the cluster, I find far too many contradictions to believe the Empress.

You and many others have claimed the Drifters are a threat to all of New Eden, yet it seems the Amarr Empire appeals to New Eden for aid when it is their empire specifically under threat. Perhaps her tampering with Sleeper technology may have played a key role in this now emergent threat.

You assert that the Empress' actions are for the well being of humanity? If that were the case, why would she withhold her vastly superior and advanced technology until threats against the Amarr Empire emerge? She has timed her releases of information beyond the point of coincidence.

Those who believe they hold great power over others and hoard their secrets, placing stock in their material wealth for plans of grandeur are not worthy of trust.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-06-09 22:36:34 UTC
A gift of impenetrable shielding that was found vulnerable to other means of attack within hours from its deployment. With said bypass being easier than pounding away at facilities with heavy caliber.

Frankly, as I've already stated, Jamyl is either thick as a brick and approved the release of technology that wasn't properly tested - which, well, to be honest, if you're doing something in that much of a hurry and aren't actually daft, usually means you're desperate - or she's playing a different game here.

And the name of said game certainly does not, in any way shape or form, include 'peace in the outer regions' or 'outer region empires uniting against the Drifters'.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Honorius Vitellius
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#8 - 2015-06-10 01:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Honorius Vitellius
iyammarrok wrote:
The release of classified proprietary technology owned by a third party, to the general public, is not a sign of greatness mr Vitellius, it is either a sign of utter disregard for the rights of the owner, or a failure to understand property law.

Take from that what you will.


Property law is not the greatest law. On this point, the faithful do not share a fundamental assumption that appears here taken for granted.

Trii Seo wrote:
A gift of impenetrable shielding that was found vulnerable to other means of attack within hours from its deployment. With said bypass being easier than pounding away at facilities with heavy caliber.

Frankly, as I've already stated, Jamyl is either thick as a brick and approved the release of technology that wasn't properly tested - which, well, to be honest, if you're doing something in that much of a hurry and aren't actually daft, usually means you're desperate - or she's playing a different game here.

And the name of said game certainly does not, in any way shape or form, include 'peace in the outer regions' or 'outer region empires uniting against the Drifters'.


Perhaps the point is not to make shielded facilities unable to be conquered as opposed to the reduction of destruction (and resultant fatalities) when they are.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-06-10 06:41:44 UTC
Complete destruction of stations occured only several times in history, and in all cases they were still under construction. Service bombardment was a very rare sight too.

In fact, stations are the safest damn place in zero-zero. Difficult to assault and sturdy enough for the structure to withstand an attack, giving the crew a fair shot at surviving even during a capture. If she was really worried about casualties, there's control towers, and of course ships...

Yeah, let's face it - it's either a missed attempt to bribe the outer regions into lending a helping hand, or a very good one at causing instability.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#10 - 2015-06-10 14:54:09 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:


Yeah, let's face it - it's either a missed attempt to bribe the outer regions into lending a helping hand, or a very good one at causing instability.


As to be expected, the unenlightened fail to see the wider scheme. Within the past centuries, the Amarr empire has been on the cutting edge of technology, advocates of peace, victors in the arts.

Bribery? Instability? Such hogwash is inconsistent paranoia at best.

You prove our duty to help you see the light with such nonsensical, wayward thinking.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-06-10 16:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Trii Seo
Unless that light happens to be your warp core going critical, I'll pass.

The wider scheme is that emperors and rulers don't hand out freebies. They always expect to get something in return - from the one it benefits, or from someone else. It is fairly normal, commonly known and there's nothing odd about it.

Not entirely sure how this one went, really. As a PR stunt it fails - the miracle technology is discovered vulnerable within hours from deployment. As something to secure peace, it fails even more.

As something that'd ensure certain factions might just become too occupied fighting each other to aid the empires in fighting the Drifters? Well... could say that one may just be a success. Time will tell.

One might even wonder if she's still on the side of her own Empire.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Pryce Caesar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-06-12 17:31:19 UTC
As a new player, I have been wondering about where this new shield technology can be found, and what benefits it supposedly has for capsuleer starships. I know now it does not prevent the Entosis Link from seeping through (perhaps that murderous AI in her head has perturbed the Empress somewhat), but I'm wondering what kind of shield tech it is.
Archbishop Abraxas
Defensores Fidei
#13 - 2015-06-20 07:07:05 UTC
Interesting developments with the shield technology. There may be something more here.
Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-06-20 11:00:46 UTC
Pryce Caesar wrote:
I have been wondering about where this new shield technology can be found, and what benefits it supposedly has for capsuleer starships. I know now it does not prevent the Entosis Link from seeping through [...]


The technology is not applied to starships but to space stations and it works formidably. Since it's release nobody has succeded in so much as putting a scratch on any structure protected by her imperial majesty's shields.
The entosis technology however seems to circumvent this progress by attacking the station ai control systems directly.

Pryce Caesar wrote:
(perhaps that murderous AI in her head has perturbed the Empress somewhat)


Murderous AI in her head? What are you talking about? Are you mad?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#15 - 2015-06-20 11:15:59 UTC
I saw a holovid once where the Empress was a corpse that sustained itself by bathing in the blood of pious and virginal handmaidens. I was told it was very popular in Gallente space, but had been banned in the Empire.

I bet he's making a vid reference and didn't realize only people from the Federation will understand it.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-06-20 11:46:48 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
I saw a holovid once where the Empress was a corpse that sustained itself by bathing in the blood of pious and virginal handmaidens. I was told it was very popular in Gallente space, but had been banned in the Empire.

I bet he's making a vid reference and didn't realize only people from the Federation will understand it.


Most people can only figuratively argue with themselves. Typical of an Amarrian to have to go one better...
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#17 - 2015-06-24 04:51:23 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
I saw a holovid once where the Empress was a corpse that sustained itself by bathing in the blood of pious and virginal handmaidens. I was told it was very popular in Gallente space, but had been banned in the Empire.

I bet he's making a vid reference and didn't realize only people from the Federation will understand it.


Most people can only figuratively argue with themselves. Typical of an Amarrian to have to go one better...


Sounded like an amusing, if not particularly all there, joke to me.
Why presume that she was trying to create argument?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#18 - 2015-06-24 05:16:31 UTC
I believe he was making a joke about the Empress. She's Amarrian, and if she had an evil AI in her head, she could literally have an argument with herself.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.