EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Sansha have the Revenant and the Fiend follows that theme.


Maybe after every other race/faction gets a AT prize ship =)


Thats a cool idea. However anyone actually using this to tackle supers in a fleet has waaaaaay to much ISK.


This is on the cards. Expect to see their final power level come out similar to other AT prize cruisers.

They are too slow. These should be the premier AB ships. Being the premier AB ships they should go faster with an AB than they do with an MWD. The Imp should be doing 4.5+km/s without overheat with an AB. The Fiend should be doing at least 3.5+km/s with an AB without overheating.
After you have made the Imp faster with an AB than an MWD replace the MWD sig radius bonus with something useful.
They don't have the range. They need an optimal range bonus. Not much point of having a 50+km point on the Imp if I can only do damage out to 15km at best with Scorch. Same with the Fiend.
They don't have better damage. Take the Sansha bonus to 200 or 250%.
Make the Fiend the be all end all of HICs. Give it a 30km bubble. Give it 50km focused point range. Make it mean.

I personally love the direction and love the start. A few minor tweaks and you will have a ship people will be dying to get their hands on.

Last note, do you really think also that Sansha would spend billions developing and designing a ship that gets both an AB and an MWD bonus? It doesn't seem very thematic at all to me....

Accept for the fact that the last Gall bonuses AT ship was the Adrestia / utu... So you guys went from the Mimir / Freki(minny), Adrestia / Utu(Gal), Vangel / Malice(Amarr) , Etana / Cambion (Caldari) for the Upgraded Hacs / logi / AFs.

Then you went Moracha / Chermoas (Minny / Angel) , (No Gall / Serp) , Chameleon / Whiptail (Caldari / Guristas ) , Fiend / Imp (Amarr / Sansha)

Why would you keep to the line you already set with the Recon/Pirate faction ships that you already have instead you decided lets use the useless hic class so people can pvp in it...

You should do a Blood raider / Amarr Recon ship it would work so much better, A super pilgrim and a Cruor on crack.

But it seems you guys just got lazy with the design took a skin and said this looks good let base something **** on that. I guess with all your devs leaving for other games you must be really lacking on the ideas front.

As a Vindicator and Moros Role-player the lack of gall ship pisses me off waited long enough...

I would most likely be in the market to buy one of these. If the bonuses don't change then they might go for like 60B

I don't follow your logic but whatever. If sansha has supercap it doesn't imply they need HICs.

If you want it to have cool TQ bonuses (and let it be used for supercap tackling), it needs to have 2 more bonuses (at the cost of mass/speed penalty negation):

much shorter point cycle or ability to receive reps while tackling
AND
dscan immunity or covops cloak


For AT meta i like Rive's proposal, or - at least general direction. But frig wouldn't be that cool even with projection bonus - i'd rather give it much more dps w/o projection bonuses; and for cruiser having 80km scorches with 37% bonus to tracking sounds too OP to me.

Also i noticed how people easily get tunnel visioned on ship bonuses, while base stats are as important as bonuses - only a few voiced concerns about these.

So I too am confused on the HIC logic because sansha has the worst super to ever exist......

however I do have an interesting proposal for you.

So you can take the bonuses of the base hulls and make them stronger, so the uniques are stronger that their faction counterparts...... but lets make these ships TRUELY unique and special. Something that will make them powerful on tq, but will not affect the tournament at all!

I give you an interesting excerpt from the sansha lore..... meet Sansha Kuvakei and his "true slaves"

"The praise only fueled Kuvakei's delusions of grandeur and megalomania, leading him to begin exploring ever stranger ideas. Believing that the world would be better off under his rule, with his chosen elite free of all burdens, he sought to create a loyal army of workers and soldiers. However, he realized that drones would lack creativity and adaptability. His solution was to join Jove capsuleer technology with existing brain implants to create willing slaves. Before he could perfect this technology, however, he needed test subjects. "

So keeping with this theme, I was thinking like a ship bonus of 5-10% increase of implant effectiveness. Maybe more, maybe less. I think its a totally unique idea that would be super cool. Also seeing as how you cant use pirate implants in the tourney it wouldnt affect the tournament hardly at all.


Thats my idea for your unique sansha ships

WildCat

Might be the worst in blob warfare...but if you do small scale pvp...a 24k dps super that has enough mid slots to switch to a fast tracking fit with 8k dps fighters that can go 8kms+ with great tracking...it is quite welcome and nowhere near the worst.

But...Yes, these AT ships are trash.



Its agility is trash, it cant be remote repaired and will probably sell in the region of 150b. Plus i dont see much point in a bubble going 3.5kms other than to run away while your bubble is still up.

If anyone uses this near me i will just titan bridge a huginn in next to it and drop a Nyx to kill it. I dont care if the Nyx dies because its 1/6th the value

For what it's worth I'm in agreeance with most the posters in this thread.
If you're devising a prize for us all to compete for, you should consider something that would inspire fervor to acquire.

The prizes are worth a chunk of isk and that's the greatest motivator for most. But I'm the kind of idiot who has always lived in EVE on somewhere between 1 and 5bn of liquid isk at any time, burning through whatever I have on PVP and fun.
If you give me a "solopwnmobile" ship, I'll actually fly it, and I'll actually die in it, and it'll be cool. Whether that's in AT XIV, or in TQ PVP, or to concord - who knows.

I think personally that a HIC bonus for the Sansha Cruiser is the wrong direction, and the frigate while cool, isn't really worth undocking over a Succubus (esp. when you consider hull value alone).

Anyway, enough with the complaining, onto the suggestions you need to contemplate when reworking bonuses or roles.


The Imp
I'm happy to see the Imp as an interceptor, but it needs to be viable to use this to tackle and hold an opponent, something very fast and with a decent range of operation to ensure it's not just webbed, scrammed and dead like any other paper-frigate.

Amarr Frigate Bonuses:
10% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per level

Caldari Frigate Bonuses:
40% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus per level

Interceptors Bonus:
15% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Disruptor range per level
80% reduction in propulsion jamming systems activation cost

Role Bonus:
150% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage
50% bonus to Small Energy Turret Optimal Range
Immunity to non-targeted interdiction

Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 4L; 2 turrets
3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration
Fittings: 55 PWG, 180 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 700 / 520 / 625
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 30 / 40 / 50
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 55 / 25 / 10
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second) : 450 / 210 / 2.14
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 420 / 3.5 / 1,000,000 / 8 / 3.75s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 800 / 6
Sensor strength: 15 Radar
Signature radius: 30
Cargo capacity: 150

Changes:
Increases to AB Speed bonus per level so that the ship will operate at the same, or greater speed than t2 vanilla interceptors so that you can chase down faster targets and get under their guns before they toast you (thinking ONI's, Phantasm's, Cynabals, etc.) with a increased bonus to tracking to help with the increased speed.
Since it's an AB focused ship, the MWD bonus is useless and should be dropped entirely, moving the Prop Jamming bonus up into the Inty bonus, which as Mr Rive pointed out, is fairly standard. The other change was the increase from 5% bonus range for Scram/Disruptor, to 15% bonus range. Still below the bonuses handed to the Garmur or Orthrus, this gives it a larger engagement range to hold a target while orbiting.

Obviously to go with the speed/operation range increases, the guns need to match and hit as far. The role bonus remains at 150% bonus damage, but an extra 50% bonus optimal would give it the ability to kite and apply damage to larger targets, making this an extremely fun ship to take out and fly in TQ PVP. Very valuable in future AT's as well. And lets face it, if you're bankrolling the isk to drop these in an AT, you're comfortable losing them.

Other changes made were to decrease base speed to 420, compensating for AB Speed increase a little (blaze it yolo), and the align time decrease so that you've got better orbit profile when you're tackling something.
Slightly higher lockrange due to increased disruptor and gun range.
Slightly higher PG to fit a better tank (MSEII+ other things will eat this up pretty quickly).


Anyway, onto the Fiend.


FIEND

Honestly unlike the Imp I don't know where to start on this one, or what I want it to do.
I do not like the idea of a HIC, it is really not the right kind of ship to be flinging into situations where you have a bubble stopping you from warping.
Make it a HAC, make it a Logistics cruiser, make it a recon, a sniper. Anything but HIC.
I actually liked DHB's suggestion to give it a bonus to pirate implant effectiveness - it is something completely new and ultimately very in line with the Sansha backstory and culture.
Even a 20% increase to a pirate implant set overall effectiveness would be absolutely game-changing.
It would mean the ship loses viability in the AT due to the ban on pirate implants, but it gives it so much more versatility in TQ and would become the ship of choice for smallgang pvp (where EVE meta should be heading towards).

Any word from the dev team about their thoughts on these ships in the last few days? Any cool exciting changes planned? We are all curious to know.