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Gorefacer
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#41 - 2011-12-22 02:15:11 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Gorefacer wrote:
GenesisMike wrote:


Someone above posted about a Rattlesnake or Scorpion, one thing that I love to see is a BS trying to solo roam, 3 BC's show up with some neuting power and very quickly most BS's will fall. In PVP i've learned a few things: where theres 1 target there are bound to be more waiting, expect neuts to be used against you, and never solo in a BS!!



Mainly true. I only threw it in their since BS fits were being thrown around and I had heard awhile ago that people have had some sort of solo success with a scorp.

Unless you are flying a ship that is almost impossible to catch (and even then you'll only be killing idiots and frigs at best) solo work is a roll of the dice. You finally find a favorable 1on1 or 1on2 only to have, as you said, a falcon show up or local blow up.

However sometimes there just isn't anyone on and you don't give a **** and go out solo anyway and it can be fun even if it's not the smartest thing to do.


I solo in a Raven (no gang bonuses, etc) sometimes - especially if I can find a bunch of BCs camping a high sec entrance. They generally are not prepared for 1400 DPS and full tackle coming down on them. The Navy Scorp can do the same thing but has a way bigger tank. I've lost a few that way, but I can normally take on camps of 3-5 people by myself as long as they don't come out with logis or a Falcon.

-Liang


Thats awesome. I'd love to do that but in a new area and not sure how solo friendly it is. I'll probably rock the drake solo a bit to test it out. Last area we were in was surprisingly generous on that front. I'd blind roam in circles 30+ jumps and usually come back safe (though this was late at night when not many people were on).

Mind giving me your solo raven fit? I have perfect torp skills that's been going to waste for a long time. My issue when trying to fit one though is getting decent tackle on it with DPS/tank TP and all the rest.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#42 - 2011-12-22 02:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Gorefacer wrote:

Thats awesome. I'd love to do that but in a new area and not sure how solo friendly it is. I'll probably rock the drake solo a bit to test it out. Last area we were in was surprisingly generous on that front. I'd blind roam in circles 30+ jumps and usually come back safe (though this was late at night when not many people were on).

Mind giving me your solo raven fit? I have perfect torp skills that's been going to waste for a long time. My issue when trying to fit one though is getting decent tackle on it with DPS/tank TP and all the rest.


Sure - this is the one I like to use. Which of the tackle mods are T2 varies by what I have on hand, but the same principle applies. The biggest danger you're likely to face is armor cruisers and armor BCs - but nobody really flies them armor fit anymore. Seriously - I blew through 3 shield canes (simultaneously) almost unscathed but ended up losing to a (slaved?) armor cane solo. -_-

[Raven, PVP Raven]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II

Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1

-Liang

Ed: Drones to suit BTW. I normally run with Hammers and ECM since I know the fight is gonna be close range.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Gorefacer
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#43 - 2011-12-22 03:48:22 UTC
Sweet thanks. I was usually trying to fit an LSE and a heavy neut to my fits since thats what worked in small gangs for me but now that I think about it if you're in scram range to tackle anyway 2x med neuts is way better for fitting. I also do remember 3 or 4 volleying hurricanes back in the day with torp ravens. They'd die so quickly sometimes I would ignore primary and just pick them off as fast as I could.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#44 - 2011-12-22 03:53:04 UTC
Drone boats are particularly well suited for solo work, I'd say. A lone vexor will get plenty of shiny frigates willing to engage, and can wtfpwn just about all of them. A <10m ship eating a 60m one is about as efficient as it gets.

The Myrm and Domi are also very effective, due to the large number of useful ways they can be fit. Tri rep myrm with a bunch of vamps plus a neut or two quite fun, and can engage anything smaller than a battleship.

thhief ghabmoef
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#45 - 2011-12-22 10:57:20 UTC
Ghetto-Geddon (no trimarks, gun rigs) is really cost effective compared to trimarking it - most of the time you'll die is due to ECM or Logi where the extra EHP pays no difference.

A nano Drake is also quite nice, easily the best nano Battlecruiser due to how versatile it is - you can take on a gang of 10-15 and walk away with kill or two. Artillery Hurricane or Shield Harbinger is generally better at killing tacklers, but the Drake is much better if you need to tailor due to the situation at had.

P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2011-12-22 11:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..


Killing mission runners? Can't think of any other reason to go for two heavy neuts. Geddon is bad choice for that though.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#47 - 2011-12-22 23:00:11 UTC
Fitted up a Brutix today, and jumped on a Drake in a belt. I was able to burn him down despite the Tornado, Hurricane and Rifter that all came to his aid, and laughed my pod all the way to safety. Great first fight with the face-melter type of ship.
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-12-24 18:09:59 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
Ghetto-Geddon (no trimarks, gun rigs) is really cost effective compared to trimarking it - most of the time you'll die is due to ECM or Logi where the extra EHP pays no difference.

A nano Drake is also quite nice, easily the best nano Battlecruiser due to how versatile it is - you can take on a gang of 10-15 and walk away with kill or two. Artillery Hurricane or Shield Harbinger is generally better at killing tacklers, but the Drake is much better if you need to tailor due to the situation at had.

P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..



Laugh all you want but against an Active tanked ship it does very well. I brought that out since the BC's in the system that were trying to kill the to BS's in the mail needed a way to dial down the guns on the Mega and break his tank. Was working wonders till the Phoon showed up, that and the Mega was slaved lol.

As for my playstyle... high sec war deck corps like mine are going after mission runners. So if you understand how that works kiddo you would understand the fit. Neutralize the active tank/hardeners and win the fight. Plus any ship using cap for weapons drops fast when two large neuts are on em. After that its a quick kill for me. Even outside of high sec normal PvP neuts are very effective. Look at my entire killboard, yes I have lost some ships but I have also had more success then failure. So knock my style all you want but its working for me.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14245502

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14415836

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14344419

Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#49 - 2011-12-27 14:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Suleiman Shouaa
GenesisMike wrote:
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
Ghetto-Geddon (no trimarks, gun rigs) is really cost effective compared to trimarking it - most of the time you'll die is due to ECM or Logi where the extra EHP pays no difference.

A nano Drake is also quite nice, easily the best nano Battlecruiser due to how versatile it is - you can take on a gang of 10-15 and walk away with kill or two. Artillery Hurricane or Shield Harbinger is generally better at killing tacklers, but the Drake is much better if you need to tailor due to the situation at had.

P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..



Laugh all you want but against an Active tanked ship it does very well. I brought that out since the BC's in the system that were trying to kill the to BS's in the mail needed a way to dial down the guns on the Mega and break his tank. Was working wonders till the Phoon showed up, that and the Mega was slaved lol.

As for my playstyle... high sec war deck corps like mine are going after mission runners. So if you understand how that works kiddo you would understand the fit. Neutralize the active tank/hardeners and win the fight. Plus any ship using cap for weapons drops fast when two large neuts are on em. After that its a quick kill for me. Even outside of high sec normal PvP neuts are very effective. Look at my entire killboard, yes I have lost some ships but I have also had more success then failure. So knock my style all you want but its working for me.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14245502

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14415836

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14344419



Use a Typhoon - you don't sacrifice DPS for the neuts. Also, in most situations by simply picking the correct damage type to deal, you can break through their tank with little to no trouble.

As for dealing with active tanked ships in general, when you're in a gang vs a single target, they work well (obviously). But the OP is not talking about gang vs solo, he's talking about solo vs gang. There is a pretty huge difference between the two so until you experience it, you won't know what I'm talking about.
MinorFreak
Ordo Arcana
Salvation Security Group
#50 - 2011-12-27 15:46:14 UTC
[Harbinger, StormCrow]
7x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II (Imperial Navy Multifrequency M)
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)

Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
2x Heat Sink II

3x Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

5x Hornet EC-300
5x Warrior II
[Implants - stormcrow]
Slot 6: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' PG4
Slot 7: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Lancer' G1-Beta
Slot 8: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Lancer' G2-Gamma
Slot 9: Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Lancer' G1-Delta
Slot 10: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KZA1000
===========================

Definitely a close in combatant with a weakness for anything medium ranged that can point it. Great armor tank plus 500+ DPS. Although i'm not sure if the ecm drones for a "get out of jail free card" would work on anything - if not i'd just go with more warriors.
*shrug*
I tend not to lose harbingers in pvp engagements (only one in my losses history with a fit almost exact as above) and prefer this ship to anything else in the game...I lack finesse and enjoy the blunt instrument that is the harby.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#51 - 2011-12-28 04:05:30 UTC
if you want a ship that's cost efficent for pvp you need a ship that will be able to gtfo when the enemy blob you or he's just winning
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2011-12-28 04:29:11 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
GenesisMike wrote:
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
Ghetto-Geddon (no trimarks, gun rigs) is really cost effective compared to trimarking it - most of the time you'll die is due to ECM or Logi where the extra EHP pays no difference.

A nano Drake is also quite nice, easily the best nano Battlecruiser due to how versatile it is - you can take on a gang of 10-15 and walk away with kill or two. Artillery Hurricane or Shield Harbinger is generally better at killing tacklers, but the Drake is much better if you need to tailor due to the situation at had.

P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..



Laugh all you want but against an Active tanked ship it does very well. I brought that out since the BC's in the system that were trying to kill the to BS's in the mail needed a way to dial down the guns on the Mega and break his tank. Was working wonders till the Phoon showed up, that and the Mega was slaved lol.

As for my playstyle... high sec war deck corps like mine are going after mission runners. So if you understand how that works kiddo you would understand the fit. Neutralize the active tank/hardeners and win the fight. Plus any ship using cap for weapons drops fast when two large neuts are on em. After that its a quick kill for me. Even outside of high sec normal PvP neuts are very effective. Look at my entire killboard, yes I have lost some ships but I have also had more success then failure. So knock my style all you want but its working for me.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14245502

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14415836

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14344419



Use a Typhoon - you don't sacrifice DPS for the neuts. Also, in most situations by simply picking the correct damage type to deal, you can break through their tank with little to no trouble.

As for dealing with active tanked ships in general, when you're in a gang vs a single target, they work well (obviously). But the OP is not talking about gang vs solo, he's talking about solo vs gang. There is a pretty huge difference between the two so until you experience it, you won't know what I'm talking about.


You could use a Typhoon, but we were talking about a Geddon, so dmg type is limited to the Crystals. Solo the Neuts work well with a Geddon since if you can silence their active tank or their weapons you can win. I actually do a lot of solo work which is where the neuts can really factor in at times. When I do I fly neut boats for this very reason. Also gives me a chance to escape since even boosting pilots arent going to be able to tank, point, attack and web/MWD while being neuted. Why dont you come find me around in my Neut Geddon and see how you stand up to it?
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#53 - 2011-12-29 13:32:37 UTC
You live in high sec correct?
Twisted Girl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-12-29 16:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Twisted Girl
it all comes down to pilots and individual skills to be honest.
I personally prefer ships that have a higher chance of living to see another day.
Used to fly a pimp navy mega in 07 ect tho in this days I just think you will be blobbed to death and you prob are bether off in something that can run away if needed.

Machariels/cynabals/vagabonds and "nano" ishtars are prob my favourite small gang ships, tho I accually never used the machariel much.


my personally choice would be a nyx:P
specially effective pvp ship before the supercarrier nerf:P

tho its still p effektive, you just need to be slightly more picky with targets.

Even tho its p expensive nothing else I have flyed have ever done so much cost to build vs isk damage inflickted.
according to eve kill its done about 1600 billion damage for the cost of about 50b (with my fit and implants) and its still not dead.(even if its been in trouble a few times)

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_pilotstats.php?id=Twisted Girl&type=tsf&stype=Nyx
(just copy the entire link manually)

passed 1000 kills a few mothns back.
of those been : Carrier 182 dread 27, supercarrier 17 titan: 8. tho most of the super kills are credited PL fcs(just fced/setuped like 3 myself)

prob 75% of carrier/dread kills are "small gang"/fishing super kills(typically 3-4 supers working together).
you need a cyno but after that its compliterly able to "solo" due to officer web and points ect
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2011-12-30 06:38:02 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
You live in high sec correct?


I go all over, but yes I am based in high for the time being. I can roll wherever you can hide your friends to gank me :)
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#56 - 2011-12-30 12:36:44 UTC
Come to Hevrice.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#57 - 2011-12-30 13:56:18 UTC
Also speaking of drone boats an Ishkur and 5x ECM drones is a beast, more so now with slightly easier fittings. Twisted
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2011-12-30 20:44:56 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

[Armageddon, Cheap]


I know you're going to crucify me, but a shield gank nano Armageddon actually works way better than you might think. I've got a friend that flies them and while I may not agree with the fit its undeniably very effective. I've seen him engage (and win) at 3v20 odds including them having caps on the field.

I'm not sure if this has more to do with him being ******* ballsy as hell or the ffitting being really good.

-Liang


As a Geddon flyer I'd love to see his fit. I have to confess I'm intrigued. I wonder how much of his success stems from the fact that his fit goes counter to traditional Geddon doctrine.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
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