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CCP increase subs for Norwegians by almost 50%

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#41 - 2015-06-08 22:26:59 UTC
Removed a political statement.

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#42 - 2015-06-08 22:37:51 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed a political statement.

Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm.

I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined.

There are all our dominion

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Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2015-06-08 23:47:52 UTC
You can buy PLEX for $35, and some sites give you a bonus PLEX for buying enough of them.

I figured it out that you could pay in PLEX at a monthly equivalent cost of $16.79 (14.88 EU / 131.32 NOK) That's based on PLEXing monthly for two years though...

It's similar here in that we pay more "Because Taxes" (nudge, wink) but the discounted CCP long-term packages still work out cheaper. (equivalent 10 EU / 90 NOK @ 12 mth)

If I was paying monthly, I'd still be paying by PLEX bought from US sellers for dollars.

They did change EU tax laws in January this year to mean that digital services get charged VAT in the consumers country - so this change is probably related to that and isn't going to go away. It must apply in Norway too as an EEA member.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#44 - 2015-06-08 23:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
Over the last month we've averaged 24000 online(and declining) which is the same as we averaged in June 2007. Compared to 34000 in June 2010. Upset some more people CCP, EvE is nowhere near dead enough yet. Edit: BTW that's 5000 less than post Incarna....

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Osaka Takawaki
Order and Prosperity
#45 - 2015-06-09 00:15:11 UTC
I really like Eve... But there's a limit to how much I'm willing to pay for all this skill training lol. It's like people think Norwegians are so rich anyways, so lets just take some more out of their pockets. I don't know whether to dislike CCP or the Norwegian government here, but since we're not getting any official and detailed answer, I'm just gonna chose to dislike them both.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#46 - 2015-06-09 03:11:57 UTC
Wow, that's like $24 USD. You guys should look into money laundering schemes.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#47 - 2015-06-09 04:59:06 UTC
Oh snap, shiz is about to go down. Battles In The North, between two Grim And Frostbitten Kingdoms...
Riven Varlass
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-06-09 05:16:18 UTC
I would like an elaboration on the subject matter. It is a significant increase and makes little sense considering our government has increased the purchase limit on foreign services before you have to pay tax.
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#49 - 2015-06-09 11:42:37 UTC
I'm Norwegian and could not be happier about this news :D

I might finally be able to quit this game since paying almost twice what i already do for all those "mostly" inactive accounts is ludicrous anyways..

So a big thank you to CCP. The monthly 600Nkr u have received from me (+ the plex's for bling) can now be spend on other games that i actually play Big smile

I feel like quoting my favorite poet, Dr C. Sheen... "WINNING".

PS! This is sincerely not a rant.. i am genuinely happy about this Blink

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
Zapp McDouche
Black Spot on Parchment
#50 - 2015-06-09 11:45:00 UTC
Meh Norwegians got all that Oil money, why they complaining about a few more kronors to pay for their account?
Its not like they can't afford it Roll
Sucks that as a non euro country having to pay in euros though since i get better price in dollars. P
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#51 - 2015-06-09 12:50:57 UTC
CCP said some years ago "we are at a point we can lose subscriptions"......some time later they said "how can we keep subscriptions?"

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2015-06-09 13:05:58 UTC
Osaka Takawaki wrote:
I really like Eve... But there's a limit to how much I'm willing to pay for all this skill training lol. It's like people think Norwegians are so rich anyways, so lets just take some more out of their pockets. I don't know whether to dislike CCP or the Norwegian government here, but since we're not getting any official and detailed answer, I'm just gonna chose to dislike them both.


So you don't know whether to dislike CCP or Norway ...over a TAX issue? You know it's governments that raise (and demand) Taxes right? for profit companies don't just up and decide "you know, we need to pay more taxes, and charge people more so that really ticks them off" lol.

If you are Norwegian and don't like what's going on, Talk to your government.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2015-06-09 13:07:34 UTC
Lucy Oreless wrote:
I'm Norwegian and could not be happier about this news :D

I might finally be able to quit this game since paying almost twice what i already do for all those "mostly" inactive accounts is ludicrous anyways..

So a big thank you to CCP. The monthly 600Nkr u have received from me (+ the plex's for bling) can now be spend on other games that i actually play Big smile

I feel like quoting my favorite poet, Dr C. Sheen... "WINNING".

PS! This is sincerely not a rant.. i am genuinely happy about this Blink


I know this is sarcasm, but how is it someone Else's fault that you choose to pay for something you don't use? I see that a lot around here, people blaming others for their own faults.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-06-09 13:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Ooh, I didn't have any Norwegian tears, at least none that I am aware of, thank you for your contribution.
Such a nice fellow. I'm sure you all know.

Could this be some internal decision by someone to shift a burden of some sort. I'm aware the customer doesn't pay tax before a certain amount is spent...is there some fee structure for a vendor to sell to Norwegians? Interesting. We've heard how Icelandic banks view their jobs...

BTW, capitalism is all politics. You can't discuss the price of eggs without discussing politics.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Master Kent'sslave
THE UNTHINKABLES HOLDING
#55 - 2015-06-09 13:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Master Kent'sslave
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
You can buy PLEX for $35, and some sites give you a bonus PLEX for buying enough of them.

I figured it out that you could pay in PLEX at a monthly equivalent cost of $16.79 (14.88 EU / 131.32 NOK) That's based on PLEXing monthly for two years though...

It's similar here in that we pay more "Because Taxes" (nudge, wink) but the discounted CCP long-term packages still work out cheaper. (equivalent 10 EU / 90 NOK @ 12 mth)

If I was paying monthly, I'd still be paying by PLEX bought from US sellers for dollars.

They did change EU tax laws in January this year to mean that digital services get charged VAT in the consumers country - so this change is probably related to that and isn't going to go away. It must apply in Norway too as an EEA member.




That would mean that all EU subscribers should get an increase not just one nation...



Edit.: For the record i've opted to not renew the subscription on 2 of my 4 accounts due to this. As im mostly spinning my ship in station as the nature of eve, affected by the jump changes have made the game a dull place. im likly to unsub all accounts if the next expansion in july dont improve the game.. Been some fun 8 years but why spend 80-100 euros a month when the game have turned intoa station spinning money drain
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-06-09 14:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
Master Kent'sslave wrote:
CCP changes all norwegian subscriptions from 14.95$ to 19.90Euro or in Norwegian Currency 123 NOK to 184 NOK.

Looks like CCP are doing their best to reduce their player base.

I also want proof of their claims.

according to Norwegian law you can buy products from forign countries for upto 200NOK (or more) without having to pay any aditional tax

So if you going to claim local taxation then please provide us with the proof..........




Billing changes for Norwegian players

Hello,

We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st.

We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR.

This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR.

Best Regards,
EVE Online Customer Support


I am from Finland, and know how rich you guys are because of oil (because WE are rich, then you must be unimaginable rich).

Just stop for a second and think how your "problem" feels for somebody in Russia or Ukraine, they have had their currency rates to blummet too, you know(?), it must have made their game more expensive too...




EDIT: to show my point, think 2 beers in a bar is 20 euro in Norway, so one month in EvE.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#57 - 2015-06-09 14:27:35 UTC
I think the best way to get to get an answer from CCP, is not to ask here. From my experience, asking questions like this in this forum only produce a crapload of answers that only pollute the post. Some(or manny...or most lol) of the Forumusers have a set of rules, 1, Get the post closed. 2. make jokes, then get the post closed. 3. Insult the OP, then get the post closed.

Send in a ticket, ull get answers from staff that have no clue what to say, so insist on getting it bumped up until u get a reply from someone that actually might have a Clue... but dont get ur hopes up, this will take a long time.

Master Kent'sslave wrote:
CCP changes all norwegian subscriptions from 14.95$ to 19.90Euro or in Norwegian Currency 123 NOK to 184 NOK.

Looks like CCP are doing their best to reduce their player base.

I also want proof of their claims.

according to Norwegian law you can buy products from forign countries for upto 200NOK (or more) without having to pay any aditional tax

So if you going to claim local taxation then please provide us with the proof..........




Billing changes for Norwegian players

Hello,

We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st.

We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR.

This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR.

Best Regards,
EVE Online Customer Support
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-06-09 14:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: 0bama Barack Hussein
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
I think the best way to get to get an answer from CCP, is not to ask here. From my experience, asking questions like this in this forum only produce a crapload of answers that only pollute the post. Some(or manny...or most lol) of the Forumusers have a set of rules, 1, Get the post closed. 2. make jokes, then get the post closed. 3. Insult the OP, then get the post closed.

Send in a ticket, ull get answers from staff that have no clue what to say, so insist on getting it bumped up until u get a reply from someone that actually might have a Clue... but dont get ur hopes up, this will take a long time.




Ummm... I still fail to see any problem here from CCP´s part, they have always set prices for each different currency how they see those people are able to pay.

Maybe Norway´s currency is now getting a hit, as CCP is receiving less in Russian rubles?


EDIT: 20 euro is only two beers at a bar in Norway.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#59 - 2015-06-09 14:41:59 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
I think the best way to get to get an answer from CCP, is not to ask here. From my experience, asking questions like this in this forum only produce a crapload of answers that only pollute the post. Some(or manny...or most lol) of the Forumusers have a set of rules, 1, Get the post closed. 2. make jokes, then get the post closed. 3. Insult the OP, then get the post closed.

Send in a ticket, ull get answers from staff that have no clue what to say, so insist on getting it bumped up until u get a reply from someone that actually might have a Clue... but dont get ur hopes up, this will take a long time.




Ummm... I still fail to see any problem here from CCP´s part, they have always set prices for each different currency how they see those people are able to pay.

Maybe Norway´s currency is now getting a hit, as CCP is receiving less in Russian rubles?


Well it might be an idea for CCP to adjust their subs prices out from the currency value and adjust With the fluxuations.
But increasing the prices will only make players stop buying subs.... but again, it has allready happend and it might be a planned move from CCP to increase pricing to make up the loss from lost subs. People have been leaving EVE in much higher grade than few years ago and the playerbase is shrinking.
Master Kent'sslave
THE UNTHINKABLES HOLDING
#60 - 2015-06-09 14:47:24 UTC
The whole point here is that they claim there is a VAT that they have to start paying on july 1th. but ecept for there havent been any changes at all since JULY 1th 2011

4 years ago


http://www.voesnorway.com/


and when i ask them for documentation then i get answers like "we can assure you" and no documentation of it
So their lying to us.