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Help Stop my Friend's Deportation from the US
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Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-12-29 02:41:50 UTC
TL;DR

  • Good friend of mine
  • Graduated this December
  • Electrical Engineering, Computer Engineering, Physics
  • Needs a job "inside" his major before May 2012 or he will be forcibly removed from the US and returned to a rather unpleasant part of India.


Longer

I know that a lot of EVE players are involved in or know people in the electronics and computing industry. I am posting this plea in the hope that one of you guys or gals can provide a lead, to give my friend a chance to stay in the US.

He is fantastically competent, with an impressive body of knowledge matched only by his ability to grow and apply it.
An excellent person with strong character and a talented musician (think concert hall, not garage band).

Unable to get an "official" job without a degree, the search so far had been rather limited. Now he has until May to find and hold onto a job which falls under the umbrella of 'Electrical Engineering'.

Advantages:

  • Willing to relocate to ay of the 48 contiguous states
  • Starting salary is highly flexible. Willing to work unpaid in "intern" level positions in areas where he has family (A few family members on both the East and West coast)

Restrictions:

  • Not yet a US citizen (partially dependent on finding gainful employment) This is only an issue because he is ineligible for a security clearance
  • The position must be accepted by the US government as requiring or making use of a degree in Electrical Engineering

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SpaceSquirrels
#2 - 2011-12-29 03:46:43 UTC
Had this happen to a Vietnamese girl at my school with chem engi degree. Turn out US companies have 0 problem hiring foreign workers in other nations...but hire ones with actual useful degrees, and intelligence, not criminals, like the US... here.. eh.
Selinate
#3 - 2011-12-29 04:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
I think the best advice I could give is that he go after a masters degree, and then try and get a job, as companies will be much more willing to offer a job to foreign masters recipients.

I can only offer the highest hopes for him also. INS is the greatest **** hole the U.S. has as of right now IMO. Any organization that actively throws out the best and brightest that our universities have to offer, or even just people who are trying to live their lives as normal people, is a worthless pile of crap, and should be completely broken down and done away with.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-29 04:40:18 UTC
We're having enough problems getting jobs for our own citizens, try Canada maybe?

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Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#5 - 2011-12-29 04:41:13 UTC
Tell him to check out N.R.A.O.

I used to work for them and the engineering is top shelf. These people are way ahead of their time. Also, they have a very diverse international employ... Many from all over the world.

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Endeavour Starfleet
#6 - 2011-12-29 05:06:59 UTC
So let me get this straight. Your "friend" didn't have things lined up before before he/she graduated and is now desperate to get a job?

When you stated flexible starting pay I knew this wasn't going to be a good thing for the job market.

Let me make this clear. Things are already skewed very far in favor of employers in the US. The visa program is a dream come true for them of more desperate people willing to work for well under a living wage and by proxy lower the potential earning power of the entire market.

Because the alternative is going back home. Basically its the next thing up from the company store which was a step up from slavery.

We simply don't have the jobs anymore to keep supporting this program. And the desperation just makes it harder and harder on US CItizens to work for a living wage. Not to mention it is very handy for keeping unions away.

I wish your friend the best. But to be frank he isn't helping by willing to work for nothing or peanuts.
McReaper
FTSE100
#7 - 2011-12-29 08:54:56 UTC
Terri,

Good luck to your friend and also anyone else who is trying to get a job in the current climate because its tough everywhere. Sadly, this issue isnt limited to the USA. I'm from UK, problems here and in Europe too.

At the end of the day, highly skilled people who can contribute to the overall economy is exactly what any country would want. Here in the UK, we complain of "brain drain" because we dont want to lose those qualified and potentially high contributing people.

Here in the UK, the government reports numbers of people coming into the country as a headline catcher, but doesnt bother reporting the number leaving at the same time! Further it doesnt bother telling us how many of those groups are skilled / unskilled etc. So, the headline figures are useless imo.

Good luck to all in need.

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all.

Viva CCG ! <--- Had to get that in, sorry.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#8 - 2011-12-29 09:55:31 UTC
Alternatively, he could go back and try to improve the unpleasant state of his country with his new skills.

Just a thought.
Atticus Fynch
#9 - 2011-12-29 13:17:21 UTC
No offense but how "unpleasant" is the environment he came from if he had the resources and financial support to obtain higher education in another country?

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Citizen20100211442
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-29 14:11:18 UTC
Hey what's the matter, does your friend don't likes his homeland? Comparing with US , it looks like India needs more working hands to improve. And think about benefits - living between people just like you, instead of multicultural pot. Enjoying your own ancient aryan culture, instead banal imitations and degeneracy. US will give you nothing apart conditions to consume more junk (stuff they keep calling standart of living)

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-29 14:11:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Atticus Fynch wrote:
No offense but how "unpleasant" is the environment he came from if he had the resources and financial support to obtain higher education in another country?


Depends which part of India, could be one of the areas being turned into an industrially ravaged and polluted place with a massive over population problem. Maybe they live on the border to Pakistan or Bangladesh living with all the simmering cultural tension.

India has areas that could be unpleasant whatever your financial or social situation.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#12 - 2011-12-29 15:01:37 UTC
Terri Lam wrote:
Graduated this December

...

Unable to get an "official" job without a degree, the search so far had been rather limited. Now he has until May to find and hold onto a job which falls under the umbrella of 'Electrical Engineering'.


This confuses me. Does he, or does he not, have a degree?

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#13 - 2011-12-29 16:46:19 UTC
India is the new Silicon Valley.
Israel is also pretty good.

No troll.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-29 17:52:33 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
India is the new Silicon Valley.
Israel is also pretty good.

No troll.


You know that isn't a troll because he pointed the fact out right in the post Big smile

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#15 - 2011-12-29 18:10:35 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
India is the new Silicon Valley.
Israel is also pretty good.

No troll.


You know that isn't a troll because he pointed the fact out right in the post Big smile


It really isn't.

India has a huge growth in technology research and hiring of talent.

Israel is also getting growth in tech firms setting up shop or significant outsourcing of talent to that country.

USA is not the only option.

AK

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-29 18:51:49 UTC
^ that is actually true, however so is the fact that India especially is underusing all that talent.

I can only add this. Dont let your friend allow himself to be forcably removed... if he is in this situation in March then he is best off getting the ticket and riding out because the black marks invlolved in being ejected are going to hassle him forever.

Best of luck to him, but remind him to throw the chips in when theres no other choice and just leave of his own accord.

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Shalia Ripper
#17 - 2011-12-29 22:16:40 UTC
Your friend prob would have better job prospects in SE Asia or the previously mentioned Israel. In the US he/she will end up taking a job that has nothing to do with his degree and deny me a well deserved gainful employment.

In short, get lost and stop takin our jobs.

Twisted

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Selinate
#18 - 2011-12-29 23:46:53 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:


It really isn't.

India has a huge growth in technology research and hiring of talent.

Israel is also getting growth in tech firms setting up shop or significant outsourcing of talent to that country.

USA is not the only option.

AK


While this might be true, you failed to mention that the average wealth per person is still in the shitter for India, so a person with the same degree and job would definitely have a much higher standard of living in the U.S. than over in India, on average.
Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-12-29 23:56:00 UTC
Thanks to everyone for their responses, please keep them coming and send your friends this way if they might be able to help.

Renturu wrote:
Tell him to check out N.R.A.O.
Thanks, I have just sent him that way.

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
So let me get this straight. Your "friend" didn't have things lined up before before he/she graduated and is now desperate to get a job?
My real life friend did not have things lined up. Not from lack of trying to get something for the past year, employers have simply had better options than someone who can start ~a year from the hire date.

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
When you stated flexible starting pay I knew this wasn't going to be a good thing for the job market.
I stated flexible pay, not "unfair" or "exploitative of his situation" pay. In two cities out of the entire country he has the ability to work for less than a "living wage" and is willing to take internship level work which would count as employment with some expected additional restrictions on the amount of time he could keep the low/no-pay position.

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I wish your friend the best. But to be frank he isn't helping by willing to work for nothing or peanuts.
I don't think most people would expect a single person's desperation to stay in the country to help anyone.
Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-29 23:56:31 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Terri Lam wrote:
Graduated this December
...
Unable to get an "official" job without a degree, the search so far had been rather limited. Now he has until May to find and hold onto a job which falls under the umbrella of 'Electrical Engineering'.

This confuses me. Does he, or does he not, have a degree?
He does have a degree. Employers are surprisingly unwilling to hire people 6 months before their graduation date (even those at college job fairs)

AlleyKat wrote:
India is the new Silicon Valley.
Israel is also pretty good.

No troll.
An excellent point, however the requirement set is "to stay in the US", not "to get an EE job"

Something Random wrote:
Dont let your friend allow himself to be forcably removed... if he is in this situation in March then he is best off getting the ticket and riding out because the black marks invlolved in being ejected are going to hassle him forever.
Reasonable advice, I'll pass it along.

Shalia Ripper wrote:
Your friend prob would have better job prospects in SE Asia or the previously mentioned Israel. In the US he/she will end up taking a job that has nothing to do with his degree and deny me a well deserved gainful employment.
He would be more than willing to get a job at Taco Bell or something, but it goes against one of the main requirements for the continuation of his visa, which is the job must within reason require him to use the degree he acquired on the student visa.
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