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[GALLENTE] [GMVA] A Federation Made Whole Again

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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-06-08 16:44:41 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Looks like I hit a nerve? As amusing as all this salt is, like I said... GMVA welcomes your return to our combat theater any time you're ready.

As for my so called "contempt" I'll thank you to not be so transparently manipulative. If I'm not mistaken I've read Pilot Vanis-Tor herself speak on the subject of the TLFs disadvantages in coordination and pilot combat experience relative to GalMil. Acknowledging those facts does nothing to diminish Hoplite Brigade. If anything it shows their dedication when so many long time Minmatar corporations have abandoned the cause.


Don't worry - facts are facts. We are still a militia in rebuild, we would not pretend to operating on a similar level as our friends in Gallente Militia.

How much would it cost to send PY-RE back to Caldari Militia I wonder...?

Kidding aside it is good to have PY-RE in our warzone, it gives the Minmatar Militia an opponent to aspire to defeat! Once PY-RE's first Battlecruiser with Guardian logi fleet falls we will burn though the rest of Amarr Militia with no trouble.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#22 - 2015-06-08 18:12:52 UTC
Congratulations to all involved the way I see it. I am no fan of Soter but, keeping this thing going for as long as he has is certainly worthy of praise.

Likewise Pyre has come up from a small organization with limited resources to be the strongest corporation in the Amarr Milita at the moment. I remember as a pilot in Shaktipat flying with Pyre as blues in I.law and the power level the group wields now versus then is certainly worthy of respect, I am just happy I managed to be a part of that change.

I also remember from time to time working with Hoplite when I flew with the Huola coalition and their rise in numbers has been dramatic and I imagine that once they are more organized and expierenced to seige lulm would be a terrible prospect. They are proving the tribes powerful warriors, and as a Brutor they have my respect.

So I can't claim to have the best kill record out there but I certainly have respect and I think that is something more valuable.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2015-06-08 19:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Killboard schoolyard contests never cease to entertain...

Actually, not really...
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#24 - 2015-06-08 19:50:38 UTC
That's not quite where I meant the thread to go and I apologize for it.

Also I was not affiliated with Pyre when they were back in Gallente space. So I cannot comment against that. Though considering the number of pilots back then, and our current structure, I would say it's effectively a whole new organization. And while I do appreciate the spirited defense of those like Hoplite, I will admit one of their greatest flaws is probably organization and discipline. Their spirit is certainly not lacking.

I would also like to actually congratulate the entirety of the FDU on reclaiming all of their space. If it were up to me I would end the Militia wars and revert all boarders back to their pre-Militia lines. (Yes this would mean Pyre backing off from the Aldodan Constellation. Wouldn't be an issue because if the war did end, our reason for our presence would be ended) So taking, and holding, space that was originally yours is a laudible thing. Exception being Caldari Prime, that's something that I think a joint government would be best for. It is Caldari but in Gallente hands, this cannot be denied and anyone seeking a pure one side or the other approach will be met with weapons fire by the other side.

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2015-06-08 20:25:55 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:

How much would it cost to send PY-RE back to Caldari Militia I wonder...?

Kidding aside it is good to have PY-RE in our warzone, it gives the Minmatar Militia an opponent to aspire to defeat! Once PY-RE's first Battlecruiser with Guardian logi fleet falls we will burn though the rest of Amarr Militia with no trouble.


Make us an offer.

Do you really think we only have enough ships for one heavy fleet? You've not even seen our heavier fleets.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#26 - 2015-06-08 20:28:48 UTC
Apology accepted, and congratulations to the greater FDU community are appreciated as well.

Honestly, what I said wasn't really meant to be an indictment or disparagement of PYRE's history or recent accomplishments. When they were in CalMil I saw them as one of the few entities that were effective in small gang tactics. Now that ya'll fight under the Amarrians you've come to have a major strategic impact on that warzone.

Our two organizations have always had different philosophies and internal metrics of success. Gallente Militia recruits are handed Atrons and taught to engage in attrition warfare, punching above their class and taking losses to gain a tactical advantage for the fleet. That's how we were able to successfully defeat Caldari forces that at the time regularly outnumbered us even when their numbers weren't bolstered by the influx of large nullsec alliances like Evoke, TEST and others.

When we used to fight PYRE in CalMil, they were a much smaller and more tight knit entity. Although their approach was the polar opposite to ours in tactics, they were also very often outnumbered because they tended to not fly with the general State Protectorate blob.

That's what my crack about kitey Condors and Hookbills was referencing. At that time, PYRE used those ships to fly very effective sorties against typical Gallente Militia loadouts. If you were alone in a brawling ship you'd be kited, TDd, and needled to death by missiles by any combination of 2-4 PYRE pilots. Any time you brought a gang capable of applying fast tackle, they'd harass if possible and disengage if they could.

Strong tactics, for sure. Certainly effective in getting kills and avoiding losses. Less effective in holding territory. Like I said, though... different metrics for success!
Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#27 - 2015-06-08 21:02:06 UTC
I applaud the gains made by the GMVA and the Federal Militia against the Caldari State and your graciousness during victory. We cannot build a better world if we neglect compassion in the aftermath of conflict. I am proud to count you, Julianus Soter, and the GMVA as allies.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#28 - 2015-06-08 21:28:28 UTC
While the Caldari State holds profitability and ISK in higher esteem than all else, the Federation takes the lives of its Federal Citizens very seriously.

Any action to take a sovereign Federation system will be met with the harshest of consequences. As the enemies we faced discovered for themselves.



Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#29 - 2015-06-08 22:07:59 UTC
Rinai, possibly one of the biggest obstacles to peace might be blowhards like your glorious leader here. Pretty sure you and I could get on quite amicably with respect to the Gallente Militia space.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#30 - 2015-06-09 01:05:56 UTC
I appreciate that I've been upgraded from "warcriminal" to "blowhard"... my thanks.

The legislation proposed in this transmission, if you had bothered to read it, is indeed one of the surest steps to peace we can take. Unfortunate that you don't seem to take such serious attempts at reconciliation to heart.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#31 - 2015-06-09 01:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
He does have a point. Nobody is forcing you people to make these discussions about Soter's personality rather than his policy proposals.

However you feel about Soter, or others like him in the Federation... none of that should matter when it comes to negotiating a livable peace. That's one thing he understands that many here do not: peace is not something you make with your friends. Its something you make with your enemies.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-06-09 14:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Rinai Vero wrote:
He does have a point. Nobody is forcing you people to make these discussions about Soter's personality rather than his policy proposals.

However you feel about Soter, or others like him in the Federation... none of that should matter when it comes to negotiating a livable peace. That's one thing he understands that many here do not: peace is not something you make with your friends. Its something you make with your enemies.


It's also not something we'll be making with Julianus Soter and yourself, Rinai. It's something that our handlers will be making with his handlers - unless the peace process underway in Pakshi turns out very differently than I expect, that is.

Besides, you're assuming the issue we have with Julianus is his policies and not his personality and, bereft of arguments in the face of his vision and brilliance, we're reduced to attacking his personality. That is not so - Julianus' vision for the administration of Gallente sovereignty space is entirely a matter for those charged to actually administrate star systems to belittle and ignore, not us. The thing we take issue with is him coming in here every four or five days to trumpet every banal little achievement as if he's changed the face of the cluster forever - there's a big difference between a proud father hanging his kid's artwork on the fridge and petitioning to hang it in a gallery.

Things that happen in the warzone routinely:

1. Ships get killed
2. Systems get flipped

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#33 - 2015-06-09 16:00:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
There are all kinds of topics posted to the IGS over subject matter that I find banal and routine. Guess what I do?

I don't respond. I leave people to the discussion of topics of more interest to them than they are to me.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-06-09 16:16:33 UTC
I see that pirate gallentean Soter is poking his head again.
Surprised he didn't lost all his hairs after failed Okkamon "blockade".

If your Federation is "whole", it is only temporary, because while your fascist occupants will stay in our worlds, we will keep fighting, and as you aren't interested in getting out of our way, we will fight to the end. To YOUR end.

The Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#35 - 2015-06-09 18:05:45 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


The thing we take issue with is him coming in here every four or five days to trumpet every banal little achievement as if he's changed the face of the cluster forever - there's a big difference between a proud father hanging his kid's artwork on the fridge and petitioning to hang it in a gallery.

Things that happen in the warzone routinely:

1. Ships get killed
2. Systems get flipped


First off, hyperbole much? Soter posted his last topic two months ago. He's hardly spamming "every four or five days."

Second, this point of this topic isn't that we took one system, although I've done that exact thing in the past. It is that every Gallente system is back under Federation control. That isn't an every day occurrence.

Have you considered what it would take for the Caldari to claim such an accomplishment? They'd have to take systems like Nennamalia and Eha that haven't changed hands in years. It would require a coordinated campaign of many pilots and entail months of effort. That's of course assuming that all determined opposition hadn't retreated from the field.

To recapture these constellations we confronted a determined foe. We coordinated major contributions of effort Fleet Commanders, Pilots, and Corporations well beyond the everyday activities of the Militia. That's what this accomplishment required, and that's what we are proud of.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#36 - 2015-06-09 22:35:42 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I see that pirate gallentean Soter is poking his head again.
Surprised he didn't lost all his hairs after failed Okkamon "blockade".

If your Federation is "whole", it is only temporary, because while your fascist occupants will stay in our worlds, we will keep fighting, and as you aren't interested in getting out of our way, we will fight to the end. To YOUR end.

The Federation must be destroyed.

You were right, her cheeks do dimple when she scowls.

Payment has been forwarded.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-06-10 09:18:22 UTC
Okay, okay, standard protocols for propaganda thread ****-posting aside (I believe the requisite quotas of, "Why my good sir/madam it appears you are quite mad/salty," Followed by, "Why no my good sir/madam it appears it is in fact you who is quite mad/salty," Has been fulfilled). I suppose credit is due to the FDU for running the timers down on all those military complexes to make the Federation whole again.

No doubt a mind numbing task, but for the past half-decade I believe the Villore Accords (and their militia allies) have always been up to the task of the mind numbing. I raise a toast now to all you patriotic soldiers and FNA graduates of their degrees in warp core stabilization enlisted with the FDU -- without you such a victory would be impossible. Having secured such glory, it is only right the Villore Accords be accorded the relevance they no doubt deserve - as the most competent and capable FDU organization led by the most competent and capable leader - by a grateful Senate.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#38 - 2015-06-11 01:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
Actually, I think its to the credit of both the Caldari and the Gallente involved in fighting over the last month in the Esesier / Anchauttes / Alamel area that neither side was fielding much in the way of Warp Core Stabs.

In fact, I don't recall ever seeing a group of Caldari pilots more willing to field Battleships and other heavy ships during a campaign. Our opponents were far from risk averse, which was very refreshing. GMVA pilots definitely enjoyed bringing out the heavy stuff themselves.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#39 - 2015-06-11 03:16:12 UTC
Reading your posts, I cannot tell whether this whole charade is a game to you, or if you truly believe you are "defending freedom," as nationalistic Gallenteans like to say. I would certainly hope that facing the loss of valuable crewmen, and constantly uprooting millions of local inhabitants of the systems being fought over would not be a simple war game for you, Rinai.

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Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#40 - 2015-06-11 23:42:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
1. Ships get killed
2. Systems get flipped


You forgot:

3. Lowsec markets
4. ???
5. Profit
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