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Can't scan a cosmic signature, but can others?
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Michael Koon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-08 19:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Koon
I've been at this cosmic signature for about 10 minutes. I can't get it to go above 55.5%. It is a Data Site. I'm scanning it at 0.25 AU with pinpoint formation right where it is! I know where it is because every time I scan it it isn't moving, so I know where it is and I'm scanning it, but it isn't doing anything. I've been able to scan every other signature in the system. I know how to scan, so don't tell me I'm scanning wrong.

Does anyone know why this happens?

And if this is in the wrong subforum, I'm very sorry. This seemed like the place to put it.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-06-08 19:59:22 UTC
My first question would be what your scanning skills are and what level they are at. My second would be what sort of ship and fit you are using.
Lilliana Stelles
#3 - 2015-06-08 20:00:43 UTC
Do you:
Have a ship with scan strength bonuses?
Have a SISTERS probe launcher?
Have SISTERS probes?
Have Astrometrics trained to V?
Have Astrometric Rangefinding trained to V?
Have a rangefinding array fitted in a midslot?
Have scanning rigs?
Have scanning implants?
Have all of your probes set to the smallest range?

If you answered "no" to any of the above, you aren't trying hard enough.

Not a forum alt. 
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-06-08 20:01:31 UTC
4 things affect your ability to scan a sig.


  1. The base difficulty of the sig (some are just flat harder to scan)
  2. Bonuses from your ship, as well as fitting mods and rigs (inlcuding the probes you're using).
  3. Your skills
  4. Implants.


There are sigs in the game that you cannot probe down without nearly maxed skills, even with implants and decent ship bonuses.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-06-08 20:02:03 UTC
Michael Koon wrote:
I've been at this cosmic signature for about 10 minutes. I can't get it to go above 55.5%. It is a Data Site. I'm scanning it at 0.25 AU with pinpoint formation right where it is! I know where it is because every time I scan it it isn't moving, so I know where it is and I'm scanning it, but it isn't doing anything. I've been able to scan every other signature in the system. I know how to scan, so don't tell me I'm scanning wrong.

Does anyone know why this happens?

And if this is in the wrong subforum, I'm very sorry. This seemed like the place to put it.


The signal strength of each signature is different and some will need a base probe strength to scan them to 100%. You can improve your skill, equipment or implants to get better results.
Michael Koon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-06-08 20:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Koon
Silvox Lunae wrote:
My first question would be what your scanning skills are and what level they are at. My second would be what sort of ship and fit you are using.


My ship is a Heron. I have regular probe scanners (8 of them). I have Scan Rangefinding Array on it. I have regular probe launcher. Not enough money for sisters.

I have Astronomics Range Finding level 2.

I have Astronomics level 2.

I've never run into this problem out of the 50+ things I've scanned in the last 2 days...
Michael Koon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-06-08 20:04:23 UTC
And this has worked for me forever. Why does this specific signature not work?
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-06-08 20:05:14 UTC
train more, get better probes, sorry but it'll happen. It did to me when I first started exploration too.
Michael Koon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-06-08 20:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Koon
Leoric Firesword wrote:
train more, get better probes, sorry but it'll happen. It did to me when I first started exploration too.


But it never happened before. Is it that some are harder to do than others? Does this mean it has better stuff? On max it takes me 5 tries except this one.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-06-08 20:07:42 UTC
Michael Koon wrote:
And this has worked for me forever. Why does this specific signature not work?


Certain types of signatures will have stronger signal strength than others. Also, with your astrometrics skills at level 2, that is still rather low relatively speaking. If you have been doing most of you scanning in high/low then you may have only ocassionaly run into trouble, but with your current skills it isn't surprising that you'll have sites you can't scan down.

For information on base signature strength: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Base_Signature_Strength
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-06-08 20:08:08 UTC
Michael Koon wrote:
And this has worked for me forever. Why does this specific signature not work?


Because it's a "harder" one. It's signal strenght is lower than all those you scanned before so you need better probe scan strenght to counter that. Training caldari frigate higher if possible will help. A sister of EVE launcher could help. Sister probes could help. Max level cov-op scanning ship could help. Implants could help. Scannign rigs could help.

THere is a lot you can do to help yourself complete the harder content. You just have to look for the info and apply it.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-08 20:10:00 UTC
Michael Koon wrote:
Leoric Firesword wrote:
train more, get better probes, sorry but it'll happen. It did to me when I first started exploration too.


But it never happened before. Is it that some are harder to do than others? Does this mean it has better stuff? On max it takes me 5 tries except this one.


The loot table for them are better on average but not drop are ever garanteed. It's like the casino with higher stake. More effort enable the possibility of better rewards.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#13 - 2015-06-08 20:11:13 UTC
It's sleepers site propably, you don't have enough skills to scan that. I had problem with those sites when in Stratios and my scanning skills are perfect. High end exploration sites with very good loot.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-06-08 20:12:39 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
It's sleepers site propably, you don't have enough skills to scan that. I had problem with those sites when in Stratios and my scanning skills are perfect. High end exploration sites with very good loot.


With his gear and skill, it does not have to be sleeper stuff.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#15 - 2015-06-08 20:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Michael Koon wrote:
Leoric Firesword wrote:
train more, get better probes, sorry but it'll happen. It did to me when I first started exploration too.


But it never happened before. Is it that some are harder to do than others? Does this mean it has better stuff? On max it takes me 5 tries except this one.

Yes often this is true.

A sleeper cache site for example is very difficult to scan but the payouts are extremely good (and there is more involved than a regular exploration site).

But if your skills are at level II, it could be a regular site and just too difficult for your trained skills.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2015-06-08 20:31:37 UTC
T1 ship, T1 modules, T1 Probes, low skills and no implants.



I don't see the problem here. Can anyone point it out to me?


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#17 - 2015-06-08 23:11:47 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
T1 ship, T1 modules, T1 Probes, low skills and no implants.



I don't see the problem here. Can anyone point it out to me?




Yeah, it's crazy that anyone would use anything else but T1 and low skills.
What a waste of time and ISK to buy the expensive T2 gear and train up the skills to 5.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#18 - 2015-06-08 23:52:46 UTC
Another Posting Alt wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
T1 ship, T1 modules, T1 Probes, low skills and no implants.



I don't see the problem here. Can anyone point it out to me?




Yeah, it's crazy that anyone would use anything else but T1 and low skills.
What a waste of time and ISK to buy the expensive T2 gear and train up the skills to 5.


But skills don't matter!
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-06-09 00:04:34 UTC
Michael Koon wrote:
Leoric Firesword wrote:
train more, get better probes, sorry but it'll happen. It did to me when I first started exploration too.


But it never happened before. Is it that some are harder to do than others? Does this mean it has better stuff? On max it takes me 5 tries except this one.


Looks like my answer will be mostly redundant - but yes, some sigs are much harder to scan down than others. For example, even with more training, better equipment and a better ship, I wouldn't be surprised if you can't get past 98% on this particular sig. Only once you get really, really good will it become scannable. It's not a bug.

Generally, the harder to scan sigs do have better loot - but also can be quite dangerous, with effects that will blow up ships easily.
Paranoid Loyd
#20 - 2015-06-09 00:11:51 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if you can't get past 98% on this particular sig.
If you can get it this close and have not modified the standard pinpoint format, manually dragging the probes closer together will get you to 100%.

But yeah OP, it's your skills. The vast majority of sigs can easily be scanned down with low skills, but there are harder ones that will require better skills.

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