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why do players stay in npc corps?

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Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1381 - 2015-06-08 17:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivant Sumboodi
the only thing ccp did that was relevant with hisec was make incursions. Why do think every alt is battleship trained? To make the ISK to transfer to the main for "fun stuff" maybe in low or null.


This is part of why Industry is so stupid, or even serious mining. People are getting no-risk money with stupid incursions, meanwhile CODE thinks they're doing something so useful by griefing new players. It's a total joke, and this whole time the counts are dropping.


both CODE and CCP are horrible entities right now.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1382 - 2015-06-08 17:18:11 UTC
Orion Nex wrote:


You are absolutely correct in that I don't know much relative to you about Eve. I'm just a dude that has seen the effects of the repeated war decs. I have no doubt that a group like Marmite could fight better players, they just choose not to. They'd rather troll newbros. It's a sandbox after all.

Have they not effectively nerfed the ability for people to make ISK in high sec with the changes to Industry? Why not do it more and make high sec safer for newbros? Hey, maybe I'm wrong. But I believe that player retention would go up. Players would be able to thrive and learn the game, but would likely want to seek better opportunities while understanding the risks of low and null sec.


No you know more than this guy about EVE. Don't buy into the "I'm tough because I like to suffer" mentality these folks try to promote. They don't stay at war constantly, and their corps are drying up from a lack of player retention. That's why they want CCP to further nerf high sec so people will run to their silly alliances in the hopes of making isk.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1383 - 2015-06-08 17:19:40 UTC
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
the only thing ccp did that was relevant with hisec was make incursions. Why do think every alt is battleship trained? To make the ISK to transfer to the main for "fun stuff" maybe in low or null.


This is part of why Industry is so stupid, or even serious mining. People are getting no-risk money with stupid incursions, meanwhile CODE thinks they're doing something so useful by griefing new players. It's a total joke, and this whole time the counts are dropping.


both CODE and CCP are horrible entities right now.

Incursions are fine man. The isk supply needs to keep up with inflation.
Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1384 - 2015-06-08 17:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivant Sumboodi
theyre arent fine. why run a POS and deal with CODE when you can run risk-free ISK pinatas. They aren't fine at all. but neither is CODE with cowardly harrassment.

It's effed at both ends.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1385 - 2015-06-08 17:31:52 UTC
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
People are getting no-risk money with stupid incursions, meanwhile CODE thinks they're doing something so useful by griefing new players.


First of all, it's not "griefing" by the only definition that matters, CCP's definition.

Secondly, according to the only authority that matters, CCP, new players getting blown up directly correlates to their likelihood of subscribing to the game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1386 - 2015-06-08 17:33:36 UTC
Honestly dude I dont care what you think, or what definitions you feel are so important to use. Your entity is a scourge to the game bottom line.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1387 - 2015-06-08 17:36:20 UTC
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
Honestly dude I dont care what you think, or what definitions you feel are so important to use. Your entity is a scourge to the game bottom line.


Except that we're not. In fact, by all indications, we're a distinct and noticeable positive, whether you like it or not.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lupe Meza
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1388 - 2015-06-08 17:37:47 UTC
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
Honestly dude I dont care what you think, or what definitions you feel are so important to use. Your entity is a scourge to the game bottom line.


Just ignore them and engage in all the game activities that are evil and bad because..well, they give you options for not interacting with them.

They are only a threat to the bottom line if CCP actually listened to them.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#1389 - 2015-06-08 17:54:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
People are getting no-risk money with stupid incursions, meanwhile CODE thinks they're doing something so useful by griefing new players.


First of all, it's not "griefing" by the only definition that matters, CCP's definition.

Secondly, according to the only authority that matters, CCP, new players getting blown up directly correlates to their likelihood of subscribing to the game.


but to be blown up over and over doesn't directly correlate to their likelihood of unsubscribing from the game?

i'd agree what you bring to the game does add content, but who monitors the adverse affects of your actions? because you can't claim it's not caused players to quit.

good with the bad i guess, i just wanted to point out that you can't claim your actions have only had good reactions and not bad as far as subs go.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1390 - 2015-06-08 17:59:39 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
I think that the main reason why players don't join a corpo is that the recruitment subforum is not at all representative of the wide choice of corporations in EVE. It's only representative of the corporations who advertise, and who are at 95% PvP oriented corpos (strong discipline, hierarchy, minimum SP, minimum commitment, TS3 obligatory, full API etc...)
There are a lot of corporations for people who don't wish to set PvP as their main goal, and who want a more relaxed and family atmosphere, but they are mostly invisible.
The main reason they are invisible (at least in highsec, we have many in null) is that the moment a PvE corp is visible in highsec they are repeatedly wardecced. It's a pretty quick way of painting a target on your face as it's saying "hey, our members aren't interested in and likely not capable of fighting back, please kill us". This is why wardec mechanics need to reward people more for fighting challenging opponents and less for attacking the soft targets.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1391 - 2015-06-08 18:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
We are what makes EVE harsh.

(takes notes)
Hm.... that's interesting... So to change nature of the game to something more popular and interesting CCP only needs to ban some people....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1392 - 2015-06-08 18:10:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You mean like Goonswarm, one of the largest groups in the game, with some of the most experienced players, whom Marmite has had decced more often than not? Or how about when Marmite and CODE were deccing one another a while back?

Or maybe you just don't have a clue what you're talking about?
Lol, as if you don't know that null sec groups are incredibly easy targets in highsec. To be fair, I can never tell if you're just playing ignorant.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You are wrong. Space violence is directly correlated with increased retention. That's not up for debate.
This is a misrepresentation of facts. CCP have stated that interaction is what increases retention, and space violence is on a part of that. What you want is only space violence and to see the end of other styles of play. That's as bad as the exact opposite.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
People are getting no-risk money with stupid incursions, meanwhile CODE thinks they're doing something so useful by griefing new players.
First of all, it's not "griefing" by the only definition that matters, CCP's definition.

Secondly, according to the only authority that matters, CCP, new players getting blown up directly correlates to their likelihood of subscribing to the game.
Of course it is, even devs have called it that, it's just that certain types of griefing are allowed in this game, which is fine, it's their choice. You literally shoot noobs and provoke them in chat and mail to havest tears for a blog. That's a textbook definition of griefing. It is what it is, nothing will change that.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1393 - 2015-06-08 18:39:25 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
We are what makes EVE harsh.

(takes notes)
Hm.... that's interesting... So to change nature of the game to something more popular and interesting CCP only needs to ban some people....


Is this another of your "Flat Earth" theories?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1394 - 2015-06-08 18:40:56 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

but to be blown up over and over doesn't directly correlate to their likelihood of unsubscribing from the game?


Nope.

It's time for you carebears to conjure up a new bullshit narrative. That one's worn out.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1395 - 2015-06-08 18:45:22 UTC
The fact is that you're pissing in a smaller and smaller pool, and either you don't realize that or you don't care. That is why you are basically a cockroach.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1396 - 2015-06-08 18:46:57 UTC
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
The fact is that you're pissing in a smaller and smaller pool, and either you don't realize that or you don't care. That is why you are basically a cockroach.


Tell me how you really feel.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1397 - 2015-06-08 18:57:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ivant Sumboodi wrote:
Honestly dude I dont care what you think, or what definitions you feel are so important to use. Your entity is a scourge to the game bottom line.


Except that we're not. In fact, by all indications, we're a distinct and noticeable positive, whether you like it or not.


Getting ganked was litterally "the 1%" in the chart. Interaction is what CCP need to direct it's noob toward. Ganking can work but it's not a big driver. You could even be a statistical anomaly with data like that. Please remember that when making sweeping statement about how you are a distinct positive to the bottom line.

Your only proven positive positive as of right now is paying your sub one way or another.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#1398 - 2015-06-08 19:05:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

but to be blown up over and over doesn't directly correlate to their likelihood of unsubscribing from the game?


Nope.

It's time for you carebears to conjure up a new bullshit narrative. That one's worn out.


LOL the silly CODE role player thinks i'm a carebear hahahahahaha.

thanks for the link. i stand corrected.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1399 - 2015-06-08 19:07:31 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

but to be blown up over and over doesn't directly correlate to their likelihood of unsubscribing from the game?


Nope.

It's time for you carebears to conjure up a new bullshit narrative. That one's worn out.


LOL the silly CODE role player thinks i'm a carebear hahahahahaha.

thanks for the link. i stand corrected.


Carebear is a state of mind, my friend. The point stands regardless.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#1400 - 2015-06-08 19:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

but to be blown up over and over doesn't directly correlate to their likelihood of unsubscribing from the game?


Nope.

It's time for you carebears to conjure up a new bullshit narrative. That one's worn out.


LOL the silly CODE role player thinks i'm a carebear hahahahahaha.

thanks for the link. i stand corrected.


Carebear is a state of mind, my friend. The point stands regardless.


well you tell me so,, what's a carebear ?

and yes the point stands, care to share your feelings on that once more. go on,,, you guys love patting yourselves on the back Roll