Ships & Modules

Oh you're right, difference is when you go full ****** with them with crystals, blue pill and siege links, and we both know plenty of people will do that. And, well, even with full ****** but just half ****** it's still pretty ******* impressive, and cap independent.


Now a single masb suddenly goes from "eh, ok, i can manage that" to "yeah right, **** that" tanking more than 900 dps. 20 secs every 60 (well, more, no savvy masb user lets it go continously really)... but you have 3 of them.

Also, uhmm. you sure about applying damage better? I really am not

Links dont do so well with asbs as links have 3 effects, resitances, cap usage and cycle time. While resistances are great the other 2 are fairly bad as cycle time means you get faster into reload and cap usage is just plainly useless for asbs.

And pith c type medium booster one tanks way way more (and can be made just as cap independent if you go dual injection). And anyways what would make this strong are the crystals (and the links). Lastly, the svipul can do the same thing all around better yet again.

let's consider it a moment (no links, implants, pills).

A single c type tanks 188 dps. a single masb tanks 170, both running cold (around 240 and 270 with an invuln). With three, you're never gonna be without charges to run it, and you can occasionally run a cycle on the second for some burst tank if needed, plus cap independent. C-type relies on a cap booster, a single medium neut will **** your day, so a lot of cruisers will be out of the questions, while this thing can be a cruiser killing monster with rage rockets. 2 cap boosters are idiotic when you can run 3 masbs. A better argument would be one more midslot for i dunno, ewar, second web, another invuln, whatever really, but 2 cap boosters... really?


very true. but imo it has its uses. small gang of confessor has trouble engaging bigger targets that can project damage, they're paper thin. This one you cna monster tank. Against small stuff, volley damage from a half dozen of this is going to be scary

If you're putting a confessor next to about anything and ask for long range damage only, confessor will win handily. However, if you got a small gang and need some ewar like paints or a web on the combat prober, then the jackdaw has merit. Same when you're to apply dps at mid ranges to a tankier primary and you're not running with a 10man ishtar gang, the jackdaw does fine while providing a paint. If your group shrinks to 4-5 guys, the additional mids can make hell of a difference given the jackdaw's tank (at range) is fine with as little as an MSE and a rig or two.

The main problem with any argument for a kiting LML Jackdaw is: You're slow as ****. The Jackdaw is insanely slow, with THREE speed mods and no links no implants in speed mode, you're doing 2.5km/s which is downright pathetic, an Omen Navy with 1 speed mod will run you down easily. Frigate gangs (which you're supposed to excel at killing) will just dogpile you easily since even the slowest MWD frigate will be able to catch you. Being able to mount a decent tank on your LML fit isn't going to help, once caught you're pretty much screwed TBH. There could be an argument for a Pithum C-Type fit with LML so when you get caught you can tank and continue fighting, but if you're going to get caught every time, why not just go rockets in the first place.

Also after flying it around abit, here's a fun random 'ninja' pre nerf I noticed to make the Jackdaw worse than it already is: The Jackdaw gets cruiser scan res when not in sharpshooter mode. So when you're in sharpshooter mode your top speed is basically a 1600plate Maller so you're probably never going to go into sharpshooter when kiting unless you're just dpsing from a very long range. Outside of sharpshooter mode the Jackdaw takes 6.2 (yes SIX) seconds to lock a frigate (it's intended target). For comparison, the Svipul gets 36% better scan res (4.5 second lock on frigates) and the Confessor gets 20% better scan res (5.1 second lock on frigates) outside of Sharpshooter mode. I really don't get why there has to be such a huge disparity other than to just screw the Jackdaw over as much as possible.

Jackdaw seems to make a lot of sense fitted as a maulus. You get 210dps with CN at 85k, while carrying 3-4 damps and still have 10-18k ehp..

Caldari T3 ships = Biggest let down in new ships on eve. Tengu and Jackdaw.

CCP Y U hate Caldari so much?

I was so stoked about this ship.... but if you wanna missile fit it, you are literally better off with a corax or maybe even kestral.

Next to all the other t3 dessi you get a half rate runner up.

Its good for poping mtu's tho.