EVE General Discussion

Ha ha.. What's this ? expecting people in an RP game to be capable of visualising a perspective other than their own ?

I think that the main reason why players don't join a corpo is that the recruitment subforum is not at all representative of the wide choice of corporations in EVE. It's only representative of the corporations who advertise, and who are at 95% PvP oriented corpos (strong discipline, hierarchy, minimum SP, minimum commitment, TS3 obligatory, full API etc...)
There are a lot of corporations for people who don't wish to set PvP as their main goal, and who want a more relaxed and family atmosphere, but they are mostly invisible.

Yes, but there was no killing lol. It would be like a 5 year old getting an at bat against a MLB pitcher. It was about exposing people to it.

I understand what you are saying, but there were two people that wrote industrial blogs in the leadership of the corp. it had nothing to do with the roams.

That's what happens. People leave those corps to avoid the wardec. Without the social aspect and the assistance provided within those corps the players just leave Eve.

How would changing the mechanics of high sec war decs remove non consensual PvP?

It's one thing to war dec someone to take a bunch of POCOs, there's something tangible that the attacker is trying to obtain. Whenever the attacker is doing it solely for the lulz and it's clearly hurting NPE I'd say that's a problem.

Throughout all the corps I've been in I've seen at least two dozen war decs and none of them have netted enough resources to make the war dec itself worthwhile. Yet they still continue.

There's a reason why Marmite and the like aren't out there war decing entities that have the experience necessary to put up a fight.

I think what CODE does is perfect for the New Eden experience for high sec. War decs usually just make people stay docked up, not log in, and/or go to an NPC corp where they usually lose interest and stop playing.

The same way that "changing the mechanics" of awoxing removed non consensual PvP. In the end, there is much less non consensual PvP. That is, without exception, a bad thing.

Besides, I'd like to see your reasoning behind why wardecs, an already weak mechanic, would need to be made still weaker.



Except that, per CCP themselves, doing it just for lulz increases net retention of new players. Those involved in PvP combat are an order of magnitude more likely to resub.

I'd say that's not only not a problem, but it's something that needs to be proliferated, since we know it has a net positive effect.




You mean like Goonswarm, one of the largest groups in the game, with some of the most experienced players, whom Marmite has had decced more often than not? Or how about when Marmite and CODE were deccing one another a while back?

Or maybe you just don't have a clue what you're talking about?

Im not blowing the dying horn either. EVE is deader than it has been in several years, flat fact. Things don't have to live or die, they can just get really thin.

And no, "summer" isn't enough of an excuse for 20k.

Incursions broke the hi-sec ISK faucet. It's broke until they fix it. Industry is kind of a joke unless you're ancient.

And I'm telling you that your anecdotes don't mean a thing compared to what CCP has told us about the matter.




Nope. Highsec is, beyond the rest of the game combined, the largest point of "creation" on that delightful dotted map they gave us some time ago.



If you make "highsec" less than two dozen systems, sure.




You are wrong. Space violence is directly correlated with increased retention. That's not up for debate.



That's what highsec has been for the past decade. It doesn't work.

One that they did not agree to. Or, put a different way, they did not consent to.



Because wars are not criminal activity. They are lawful activity.

Also because everyone is supposed to die, and no one is supposed to be exempt. Ships getting blown up turns the wheels of the economy.

Further, because wars act as a much needed isk sink.

Still further, whether you like it or not, highsec PvP combat is pretty much the only thing in highsec left with such restrictions and punishments on their playstyle. Yours certainly has none, now that standings have been decoupled from station use. Thus, we are enabled to be the risk that is lacking from your otherwise easymode playstyle(s).

We are what makes EVE harsh.