EVE General Discussion

My real issue is one that CCP cannot resolve, as it's one of human nature.
When war is declared on/by our corps we make a choice. Sometimes it's a conscious one, sometimes it's subconscious.
The choice is this....
Do you don your cheerleading outfit and heels and run shrieking into the woods at night?
Or do you strap on your hockey mask and grab your favorite machete for your moonlit walk through the forest?

Fundamentally we all have the same tools available to us in our toolboxes, it's just a matter of how we choose to use them.
Numbers don't really matter; folks like Cannibal Kane have long disproven that notion.
Skill does matter, but player skill more than SP.
The catch is that you don't gain that kind of skill through tutorials, you have to go out there and get your nose bloodied a few times and if you're lucky/diligent you can find a mentor.

Goals matter too.
And this bit is important.
If you are the defender and you don't want to lose, then your goal is to not lose.
If you are the aggressor then you want kills.
When facing an opponent that is ACTUALLY EXERTING THEMSELVES to achieve their goals, this is equally tough for both sides. Sorry about the caps, but that ****'s important.

Too many people embrace the philosophy of "Can't win, why try?" before actually discovering whether or not this is true... as such their expectations are generally met.

According to lore:

"The Scope is the leading news agency in the world of EVE. Though based in the Federation the company takes pride in its total independence and operates separate agencies throughout the world. The Scope swings slightly to the left, but it's conservative enough to be considered a reliable news agency even to the toughest businessmen and politicians. "

I enjoy NPC corps and EVE is better for it. I am just saying wardeccing an NPC corp should bring consequences. If a capsuleer thinks he is bad enough to take on the whole Federation Navy to attempt at those capsuleers, why not let him?

Example:
Wardec on The Scope

Neg standing with Gallente Federation & Minmatar Republic.
Waring corp is KOS in Minmatar Republic & Gallente Federation(NPCs and capsuleers).
Automatic -10 standings with Republic & Federation and their agents.
CONCORD although initially paid to look the other way, must react to violence against Empires to save face, as it's job is to police unlawful activity(And the empires pretty much pay more/better).
NPC corp tax waived and turned into increased payout during missions.
LP payout for every war target's ship destroyed by (NPC corp)capsuleer.
NPC response time increased to maximum across all sec status.

Now if they manage to get a kill on an NPC corp after all that, hey they earned it.

If this game was big giant hisec universe and the wardec was the only solution to pvp with others I would be 100% with you for NPC corps removal, but when you have countless nullsec/lowsec systems that even its residents don't have the balls to make use of it , then I don't know why people keep blaming hisec safety over this. When the biggest couple of giant nullsec coalitions don't have the courage to conflict each other and become in endless big battles like we kept hearing about when we joined this game...now you want to drag the individuals to your own version of pvp conflicts ?

You think that new players aren't aware of the existence of lowsec and nullsec systems? you think newbies aren't aware about how endless possibilities and conflicts they can have if they went there ?

If someone choose to stay in NPC corp he/she knows the benefits and drawbacks of their choice, you aren't their messiah to take them from their hands and show them the coolness of this game.

Many players are already at war with the Federation Navy and many NPC corporations support missions against faction navy. It feels like there are a few loose ends with this scenario and their exemption from wardec is one of them.

Many of the points against allowing them to be wardeced are valid but that exemption does allow for some manipulation that is questionable.

I couldn't support an argument that existing players don't already have enough advantages over new ones in any way shape or form.

But they aren't new players, a lot of experienced players put their characters in NPC corps for precisely that imunity. Doing the dirty work for their Alt ect.. There are issues with that.

All good points. When a player does FW, they can not fly into the Empire's space for too long or they suffer the consequences. In missions the agent is selecting you to seek and destroy an enemy "rogue" presence.

The problem with the alts in NPC corp is just a problem with alts in general. NPC corps can't be faulted for sloppy game design. If they removed war decs, no one would complain. NPC corps would have no advantage over player corps.

No Joe, we need more ways for NPC Corpies to get blown up, and more reasons for them to undock and have fun.

Restricting them from dangerous areas of space is a nice way to get people to quit from boredom.

I've been casually trying to find a niche in Eve. All I know is that every time I've settled into a group it's been destroyed by high sec war decs. I have no idea what the answer is. I've rarely posted on the forums and it hasn't gone well when I've decided to.

I actually found Eve through Dust. Dust is plagued by passive play in a small arena where people are acting as though there is a huge sandbox. The fear of asset loss vs the lack of proper incentives has turned the majority of players into pacifists. Over the years I've read people's comparisons to Eve yet there's nothing to do do but PvP. Eve allows people to be super casual without affecting serious players by boring them to death.

I think the trolls that war dec high sec corps are similar to people in Dust that create alts to crush noobs in the Academy (a 3 or 4 match beginner mode for new players). It serves no good purpose. If there is one that I'm not aware of its far outweighed by the negatives. You can check out the leaderboards in Dust, at the top of the leaderboard for all time kills you'll see Molon Labe. It is dead now, but it there have been a couple thousand players run through that corp. I was a founding member and a director for 2 years. I know of dozens of players who tried out Eve and just let their trial run out because of high sec war decs. They don't even know how to fit a ship and Marmite is blowing them up with strategic cruisers.

I think war decs have a place. I think they should be a thing, but there should be some strategy and more of a financial burden on declaring high sec war. I was in Manu Fortius last year. Over a hundred carebears mining, mission running and even some roams through low sec. After about a month we started getting dec'd. The first 3 didn't net a single loss, I think the 4th killed a guy in an expensive mission running ship. The 5th didn't kill anything, but largely killed the corp. 5 war decs, one kill. Yet it's a thing. It doesn't seem like there's any real choice there. Just dudes getting lulz at the expense of CCP's newest customers.

I'm headed to null with one character and to a wormhole with another. Maybe after getting a real taste of Eve I'll troll a guy complaining about high sec war decs, but I doubt it. I'll probably make fun of the people who embrace the spirit of New Eden while running off new players before they get a chance to learn what all the game offers.

This may have a good bit to do with why y'all got wardecced fairly often...

The more engaged your corp is in PVP, the more likely your corp is to get war decced.

It's one thing if you defend yourselves well, but another if you're out hunting kills.

This got me wondering, are killboards used as a source of intel on who the weakest are?
And if so, why don't the hi-sec corp people go on low/null roams to get a feel for combat.
In other words, get some claws.

Answer:

1. gatecamps
2. blobs
3. T3 cruisers
4. high skill training times
5. low isk amounts for new players
6. no social interactions due to lack of knowledge of the game
7. bad game design
8. PVE ship fitting philosophy different to PVP ship fitting philosophy

Take your pick you can't be wrong this is EVE.