Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Having used rapid heavy missile launchers for a good bit I feel like they are in a not too good spot right now.
The Barghest is the primary ship to use for rapid heavy missile launchers. All of it's bonuses apply to the rapid heavy missile launchers which is great. However, looking at other missile Battleships I see most bonuses do not apply to rapid heavy missile launchers which I find odd.

Let's take a few examples:

Raven Navy Issue
Caldari Battleship bonuses:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo max velocity
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion radius.

Raven
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo max velocity
5%bonus to rapid heavy missile, cruise missile, and torpedo launcher rate of fire

Typhoon
5% bonus to rapid heavy missile, cruise missile and torpedo launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity

Scorpion Navy Issue
5% bonus to rapid heavy missile, cruise missile and torpedo launcher rate of fire
4% bonus to all shield resistances

The Typhoon fleet issue get's a direct bonus to heavy missile damage which is fine.
The Raven's and Typhoon only have one bonus being applied to rapid heavy missile launchers.

My proposal is as followed: [ TLDR ]
All of the Secondary bonuses should apply to rapid heavy missile launchers aswell.
I do not feel like they would become OP. The Barghest is in a decent spot right now and isn't rediculously strong.
This would also create a more diverse usage of missile launcher types.

Feedback wanted!

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EDIT: What do you guys think about precision heavy missile range penalty to be removed?

I think precision need to move faster, period. If that demands a flight time drop so be it.

They're designed to shoot a class down, they need more speed.

Ed: having looked at stats, just much faster will cover it.

Why ALL turret ships? Are the ships I listed ALL missiles ships?
There's plenty of turret ships with tracking bonuses.

Not everything should be able to trollolol cruisers. I say this as the dude obsessed with battleships and making them worth undocking. RHML is a niche weapon, and should remain so, and having bonuses to it should be a factor in ship choice if you want to use RHML.

I agree half way. The missles range bonuses should apply. The other ones shouldn't.

When you use a BS against small stuff you only need one Bonus cause you have many Benefits from the hullSize against the medium ships.

-Massiv Tank
-Neuts (Many cruiser cant deal with a massiv neut on 24km)
-MJD
-Enough Med Slots
-Sensor Strengh (harder for ecm)
-Smart Bombs

, i try to avoid this, but you started.
to those who think that they are clever than i :
exp radius of heavy missiles by numbers:
all skill 5 - 105
all skill 5 and 1 rigor T2 - 78
all skill 5 and 2 rigor T2 - 67 (destroyer sig)

Does any of middle/large turrets have such a sig resolution? And what will happens if for example CNR can use his bonuses with heavy missiles? Try to think if you can.

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I'll care about this when oversized missiles can alpha frigates like guns can.

Which will be approximately the third of never.


I don't think you have the first idea of how the missile damage calculation works tbh.[/quote]

I think your is clever. My favorite RHML ships are Navy Scorpion and Navy Typhoon and i now very well how they can whipe out interceptors. And oversized missiles like citadel's can whipe out frigates. Just check the killboards

Yes but it's a HEAVY missile.

You know the thing so nerfed not even jesus could bring it back from the dead

There's a reason why they don't get a range bonus to heavy missiles.
You can pull out a good amount of DPS with an RHML BS, with much better application.

CCP specifically kept their range low in order to keep them balanced.

You can get close to 1k DPS on a Raven with RHMLs at 50km...
If you throw on 3 t1 range rigs, you can get 70km...

That's almost 1k dps with higher damage application, and more mid slots to support a web and/or TP thus increasing application even more.

The only real use for rapid lights in PVP, and if you're out past 50km, you're likely doing it wrong.

I think they're balanced just fine.