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Mandar Amelana
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-06-08 00:55:47 UTC
So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it.

No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage.

I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article:

Quote:
Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combat—meaning they are rarely ever vulnerable.


After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed).

So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better:

Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode.
Urziel99
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2 - 2015-06-08 01:17:45 UTC
Mandar Amelana wrote:
So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it.

No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage.

I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article:

Quote:
Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combat—meaning they are rarely ever vulnerable.


After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed).

So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better:

Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode.


Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed. bad idea.

As to the Rorqual. It's primary purpose is to support mining operations with bonuses and mobile compression. only a few are brave/crazy enough to have them in the open, and given their cost and lack of defensive power that is justifiable.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#3 - 2015-06-08 01:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
It's not just industrials, from what I gather from the state of the economy from fanfest last year (think it was that one), it looks more likely any capital outlives any highsec ship by leaps and bounds. With the new ship dirt system thingy going into game, expect to see moving parts to fall off and rust trails behind caps in the near future and forever. Your caps will probably outlive you, literally.

I'm in it for the money

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Mandar Amelana
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-06-08 01:21:18 UTC
Quote:
Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed


How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.
William Weatherwax
Three-Headed Monkeys
#5 - 2015-06-08 01:27:36 UTC
Mandar Amelana wrote:

After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about


Considering that Eve is a Sandbox game, can you claim that your assumption on what the game is about is the correct one?

It seems to me as if Rorquals are getting downed quite regularly (https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/) and the article just tried to make the achievement (he had to maintain his cover for many months which I think should count as an achievement itself) look bigger.


Urziel99
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#6 - 2015-06-08 01:32:58 UTC
Mandar Amelana wrote:
Quote:
Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed


How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.


They'd be sitting ducks outside the tower and be unable to reship. In mass evictions the first move is to RF all towers.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#7 - 2015-06-08 01:35:06 UTC
Rorquals are dying at a rate of 20-30 per month. I wouldn't call that a problem considering their role. Camp low sec jump routes systems without stations and you'll find one to kill in a lot less than 9 months.

There are all our dominion

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Mandar Amelana
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-06-08 01:38:45 UTC
Quote:
Rorquals are dying at a rate of 20-30 per month. I wouldn't call that a problem considering their role. Camp low sec jump routes systems without stations and you'll find one to kill in a lot less than 9 months.


Yeah, saw similar figures from the killboard linked above just now. I don't think they were that high, but still at a rate that is far more frequent than I was originally thinking.

Quote:
Mandar Amelana wrote:
Quote:
Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed


How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.


They'd be sitting ducks outside the tower and be unable to reship. In mass evictions the first move is to RF all towers.


What if it were amended so that access was granted but original reinforce timer booted all free floating ships?
Urziel99
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#9 - 2015-06-08 01:45:22 UTC
Mandar Amelana wrote:
Quote:
Rorquals are dying at a rate of 20-30 per month. I wouldn't call that a problem considering their role. Camp low sec jump routes systems without stations and you'll find one to kill in a lot less than 9 months.


Yeah, saw similar figures from the killboard linked above just now. I don't think they were that high, but still at a rate that is far more frequent than I was originally thinking.

Quote:
Mandar Amelana wrote:
Quote:
Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed


How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.


They'd be sitting ducks outside the tower and be unable to reship. In mass evictions the first move is to RF all towers.


What if it were amended so that access was granted but original reinforce timer booted all free floating ships?



Why are you wanting free kills on pos trash? Kill the stick and then steal/kill the free floating ships.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2015-06-08 05:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Don't worry about Rorquals, as CCP Fozzie is on the case.

"... basically next" as of May 1st, 2014.

Any minute now.

As for the ones that were destroyed mining, or with only capital tractor beams fitted:

CCP Fozzie wrote:
... you never put it in a belt, because that would be silly.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-06-08 05:14:23 UTC
The solid gold trampolines are in danger? Why haven't they all been reprocessed yet?

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#12 - 2015-06-08 09:04:57 UTC
Reading your post, you don't seem like a guy that ever deployed and used a POS

Or shot one for that matter.

You're either trolling or truly out of touch with EVE
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2015-06-08 10:39:05 UTC
This idea is soo farr gone it isn't even stupid anymore, if you're after pos loot/caps, kill the damn stick.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-08 12:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
This idea is soo farr gone it isn't even stupid anymore, if you're after pos loot/caps, kill the damn stick.


Dear Mr. King-Griffin,

I am writing to you on behalf of my client, the OP of this thread, to inform you that we find your use of logic to be both offensive and heretical. Any further use of said logic may be subject to punitive actions, including, but not limited to, redress in the Imperium Court of Interstellar Law.

Please refrain from using logic in any further posts, so you will not distress my client any more.

Thank you.

Elenahina, Voluntary Thread Lawyer

Disclaimer: The Imperium Court of Interstellar Law does not endorse this post, and may not even exist.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#15 - 2015-06-08 12:51:08 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
This idea is soo farr gone it isn't even stupid anymore, if you're after pos loot/caps, kill the damn stick.


Dear Mr. King-Griffin,

I am writing to you on behalf of my client, the OP of this thread, to inform you that we find your use of logic to be both offensive and heretical. Any further use of said logic may be subject to punitive actions, including, but not limited to, redress in the Imperium Court of Interstellar Law.

Please refrain from using logic in any further posts, so you will not distress my client any more.

Thank you.

Elenahina, Voluntary Thread Lawyer

Disclaimer: The Imperium Court of Interstellar Law does not endorse this post, and may not even exist.


This post is epic, I thought of this while reading it. Big smile
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-06-08 13:05:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


This post is epic, I thought of this while reading it. Big smile


I'm sorry, I thought you was corn. LOL

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Jenshae Chiroptera
#17 - 2015-06-08 13:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Mandar Amelana wrote:
... Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode.
They are planning to make POS replacements that don't have shields. Only an "attach" option that works like docking.

I think that people would just stop flying Rorquals under those conditions and have a proposal of how to get them into belts even with the current mechanics.

P.S. That article ... it seems like fan fiction or something. EVE can't really be that over the top and steeped in excitement, can it?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#18 - 2015-06-08 15:28:55 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Mandar Amelana wrote:
... Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode.
They are planning to make POS replacements that don't have shields. Only an "attach" option that works like docking.

I think that people would just stop flying Rorquals under those conditions and have a proposal of how to get them into belts even with the current mechanics.

P.S. That article ... it seems like fan fiction or something. EVE can't really be that over the top and steeped in excitement, can it?


Don't you think the rumored AoE links would handily do that for you?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#19 - 2015-06-08 15:38:43 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
...Don't you think the rumored AoE links would handily do that for you?
Nope, the Rorquals are too vulnerable and squishy as they are now.
Risk far exceeds the reward of putting them in an asteroid belt.
They will simply mine without boosts.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#20 - 2015-06-08 16:49:50 UTC
i.. what?

So you basicly want it so no one can fight any of the attackers off if they are attacking there pos.

This makes zero sense.

As someone already said, either you have never deployed or never worked with a pos. i'm sorry.. but i am now going to add this idea to the 'worst ideas ever in one sentence thread' lord this is bad.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
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