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How to fly the Ishtar?

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Tetrabam
CyberTech Production
#1 - 2011-12-27 09:45:30 UTC
I am a skilled Domi pilot (Active tank, Sentries) and would like to use the Ishtar for my High Sec Explorations and Anomalies.
Now I am interested in the tactics you use for the Ishtar, so I can use it efficient.
As a Domi Pilot I am used to draw all the agro, deploy my sentries and let them do the job. No need to fly around, so I can recall my sentries quickly if needed.
Now it seems with the Ishtar this is not possible anymore as the tank is a fair bit smaller then a Domi. So how do you use the Ishtar with Sentry Drones?
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#2 - 2011-12-27 09:55:23 UTC
Idk about how overtanked your domi is, but an ishtar can easily fit a 500-600 dps tank for pretty much any resist profile with either passive shield or cap stable double med reppers. Your signature will be significantly smaller than a domi as well, meaning most enemies won't do as much damage either. Also, with an AB, your speed will help you tank as well. Deploy sentries and orbit one at 500m.
Tetrabam
CyberTech Production
#3 - 2011-12-27 10:42:59 UTC
Thanks a lot for the reply.

My Domi is a Dual Rep as where my Ishtar is a single rep with 3 mission specific hardeners (Approx. 300 dps tank). I am fighting mostly Sansha's.
I will have a try with a Dual Rep Ishtar and/or try out the orbiting a Sentry Drone (Or a can).
Mnemosyne Gloob
#4 - 2011-12-27 10:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnemosyne Gloob
Yeah once you start moving around, even without the afterburner active you will mitigate a lot of damage.

Something that many ppl do is jettison a can where you land, get aggro, drop sentries and then orbit the can (at whatever range is good to not make your tank fail). You can easily navigate to the can to pick up your sentries again this way.

Also if you dual rep it and fight serpentis or guristas, you can get outrageous tank on an ishtar.

[edit]Sansha might not be the best for this ship to fight against, with the resist profile it has[/edit]
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-28 05:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
this is what i use for nullsec exploration and is total overkill for highsec, but hey



3x Heavy Ion Blaster II
Core Probe Launcher I
Prototype Cloaking Device I (if u go into low sec)

10MN MWD II
10MN AB II
Codebreaker I
2x Cap Recharger II

MARII
n-type thermic
n-type thermic
n-type kinetic
whatever in last slot, maybe overdrive injectors

2x Medium Sentry Damage Rigs

5x Hobgoblin II
5x Hammerhead II
5x Vespa EC-600
5x Garde II
5x Warden II
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#6 - 2011-12-28 06:03:19 UTC
[Ishtar, ArmorTank]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners

Salvager II
Salvager II
Dual 150mm Carbide Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Carbide Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Carbide Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde I x5

This should get 489 dps tank at level V skills vs. a 50/50 em/thermal split. That should be somewhat enough for a fast cruiser sized target. Kinetic/Themal Enemies would be better though.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#7 - 2011-12-28 09:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
1. Fit cap less guns in the hi instead of hybrids
2. Use MWD in bursts to kite 90% of the damage.
3. Learn cloak + MWD trick if u go ino low sec
4. Fit guns last, you get DPS from sentries. Don't gimp the fit for guns.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2011-12-28 10:10:50 UTC
Tetrabam wrote:
I am a skilled Domi pilot (Active tank, Sentries) and would like to use the Ishtar for my High Sec Explorations and Anomalies.
Now I am interested in the tactics you use for the Ishtar, so I can use it efficient.
As a Domi Pilot I am used to draw all the agro, deploy my sentries and let them do the job. No need to fly around, so I can recall my sentries quickly if needed.
Now it seems with the Ishtar this is not possible anymore as the tank is a fair bit smaller then a Domi. So how do you use the Ishtar with Sentry Drones?


Incoming DPS is a lot lower in hisec exploration (DED rated 4/10 combat sites) than in most L4s. Single MAR II is plenty enough, you could even use a Domination repper if you have problems fitting and/or with cap. Anomalies don't even break your shields. Instead of tank you want speed (meaning both velocity and killing speed), as there will be other players competing for the same sites.

So drop the sentries first and forget pulling aggro, kill kill kill, many times the stupid NPCs don't even react to your presence before they pop. And even if they react, sentries can take a lot of damage so you always have time to pull them and redeploy when they get shot. Zoom around, I scoop some wrecks or sometimes orbit a sentry drone. Some say with your AB on, but I find keeping a tight 500m orbit needed for fast sentry scooping negates the extra speed gain from AB.

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coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-28 10:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: coolzero
[Ishtar, Ishtar : Exploration ]

Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Cap Recharger II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
Analyzer I
Codebreaker I

Capacitor Power Relay II
Medium Armor Repairer II
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x1
Warden II x5
Garde II x5

i use this in null sec mag/rad site and its still overtanked for those

use this in high sec and you fall asleep while doing them

yes no cloaking device(you could tho) becuase why bother in high sec

i nice one fit does it all ishtar.


as for the sentry...damn i love them with max sentry skill and the dumb npc i warp in at 70 orso and get in range(for me like 69km) deploy sentrys and start killing the small stuff and when they target my sentrys retract and redeploy and go on mass killing till i only have BS left and ill agro those deploy sentrys and go afk.

frigs are dead in one volly so you have no problems in high sec with this

use warden for anything between 40-69 km gardes for anythink 20-40km and the hobs for anything in your face but doubt any ever get this close.

(the ishtar great it even tanks a full agro room in a 9/10 site(not his fit but a shield tanked fit will easy)
J Kunjeh
#10 - 2011-12-28 16:54:09 UTC
Here you go, hope this helps: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fit-of-week-pve-gallente.html

I'm skilling up myself for an Ishtar.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#11 - 2011-12-28 17:09:07 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Here you go, hope this helps: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fit-of-week-pve-gallente.html

I'm skilling up myself for an Ishtar.



Don't use that fit. Plate + MAR for PVE? Roll Just check battleclinic for several decent ones.
J Kunjeh
#12 - 2011-12-28 17:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: J Kunjeh
Nor Tzestu wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Here you go, hope this helps: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fit-of-week-pve-gallente.html

I'm skilling up myself for an Ishtar.



Don't use that fit. Plate + MAR for PVE? Roll Just check battleclinic for several decent ones.


Read the entire post and hopefully it will click for you. This isn't for L1 missions in hi-sec. Of course, it was written back in March and hybrids have had a buff since then, so this exact fit might not be ideal, but I would bet there's some good info in there for anyone wanting to fly an Ishtar for use in missions/ratting in low and null, etc.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#13 - 2011-12-28 17:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nor Tzestu
J Kunjeh wrote:
Nor Tzestu wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Here you go, hope this helps: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fit-of-week-pve-gallente.html

I'm skilling up myself for an Ishtar.



Don't use that fit. Plate + MAR for PVE? Roll Just check battleclinic for several decent ones.


Read the entire post and hopefully it will click for you. This isn't for L1 missions in hi-sec. Of course, it was written back in March and hybrids have had a buff since then, so this exact fit might not be ideal, but I would bet there's some good info in there for anyone wanting to fly an Ishtar for use in missions/ratting in low and null, etc.


I have read the entire post. Doesn't change the fact mixing tanks is Roll. Like really dumb in all but a very few specific circumstances that don't involve PVE. Either dual rep it, single rep with brick resists or shield tank it. Mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and active) for PVE is a really horrible idea.

Try this Ishtar fit for Crucible
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2011-12-28 17:42:52 UTC
How to fly the Ishtar?


Fly it well son, fly it well.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

J Kunjeh
#15 - 2011-12-28 17:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: J Kunjeh
Nor Tzestu wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Nor Tzestu wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Here you go, hope this helps: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fit-of-week-pve-gallente.html

I'm skilling up myself for an Ishtar.



Don't use that fit. Plate + MAR for PVE? Roll Just check battleclinic for several decent ones.


Read the entire post and hopefully it will click for you. This isn't for L1 missions in hi-sec. Of course, it was written back in March and hybrids have had a buff since then, so this exact fit might not be ideal, but I would bet there's some good info in there for anyone wanting to fly an Ishtar for use in missions/ratting in low and null, etc.


I have read the entire post. Doesn't change the fact mixing tanks is Roll. Like really dumb in all but a very few specific circumstances that don't involve PVE. Either dual rep it, single rep with brick resists or shield tank it. Mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and active) for PVE is a really horrible idea.

Try this Ishtar fit for Crucible


Uh, yeah, to each their own I guess. Your comment about "mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and active)" is so far off the mark....I think you mean "mixing tanks (i.e. shield and armor)"...or maybe you mean "mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and resists)"...but yeah, as stated, it makes no sense to me.

From the post:

"Ishtars favor an armor tank, and the proposed tank is quite solid with good broad-based resists. Trade out the Armor Explosive Hardener for rat-specific resists to improve it still further. The one somewhat expensive mod is the faction armor repper, but any PvE ship should have a faction mod or two to supplement its tank. The difference the Imperial Navy repper makes is startling and well worth the extra expense. The Afterburner will allow you to speed tank, while the high resists and low signature radius will keep you safe from most harm. Still, if you need the repper, it's there, and can run almost cap-stable."

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#16 - 2011-12-28 17:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nor Tzestu
J Kunjeh wrote:
Nor Tzestu wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Nor Tzestu wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Here you go, hope this helps: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/03/fit-of-week-pve-gallente.html

I'm skilling up myself for an Ishtar.



Don't use that fit. Plate + MAR for PVE? Roll Just check battleclinic for several decent ones.


Read the entire post and hopefully it will click for you. This isn't for L1 missions in hi-sec. Of course, it was written back in March and hybrids have had a buff since then, so this exact fit might not be ideal, but I would bet there's some good info in there for anyone wanting to fly an Ishtar for use in missions/ratting in low and null, etc.


I have read the entire post. Doesn't change the fact mixing tanks is Roll. Like really dumb in all but a very few specific circumstances that don't involve PVE. Either dual rep it, single rep with brick resists or shield tank it. Mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and active) for PVE is a really horrible idea.

Try this Ishtar fit for Crucible


Uh, yeah, to each their own I guess. Your comment about "mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and active)" is so far off the mark....I think you mean "mixing tanks (i.e. shield and armor)"...or maybe you mean "mixing tanks (i.e. buffer and resists)"...but yeah, as stated, it makes no sense to me.

From the post:

"Ishtars favor an armor tank, and the proposed tank is quite solid with good broad-based resists. Trade out the Armor Explosive Hardener for rat-specific resists to improve it still further. The one somewhat expensive mod is the faction armor repper, but any PvE ship should have a faction mod or two to supplement its tank. The difference the Imperial Navy repper makes is startling and well worth the extra expense. The Afterburner will allow you to speed tank, while the high resists and low signature radius will keep you safe from most harm. Still, if you need the repper, it's there, and can run almost cap-stable."


Ok then. Since you don't understand how that's a mixed tank (trust me it is) I'll just let you think whatever. Now do me a favor though, and explain to me the benefit of having a plate and a repper on a pve boat? Explain to me what benefit it would have over better resists or another repper?

That is a shitfit you listed. Pretty much end of story. Your clueless about what constitutes a mixed tank on top of it. I can assure you it's not just shield/armor mixed together. And the fact your using a fit that "needs" faction gear shows just how BAD it really is. Adding a 300m repper to a ishtar is pointless when they will tank anything level 4 with a single t2 medium and proper resists/piloting.

Mixed tanks and why they are bad
J Kunjeh
#17 - 2011-12-28 21:08:09 UTC
It's all good, take it or leave it. I learned one thing well about 15 years ago: arguing on the intertubes is dumb. I learned another when I joined the Eve forums: arguing about fits on the intertubes is even dumber.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Liam Mirren
#18 - 2011-12-29 01:49:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Fitting buffer on an active armour tanked PVE fit IS dumb, PVE is a prolonged exposure to damage so what you want is active repping and resists, simply having some more HP doesn't do anything for you and actually, as it takes up a slot which you could have used for a resist, it LOWERS your tank. Would you be shield tanking then it would be defendable as increasing shield HP also increases HP/s shield regen. So you probably should do less of the "no U" and more using your noggin (or listening and accepting other's sound logic).

To the OP, you can also shield tank an ishtar just fine using LSEs and purgers, it actually works really well.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#19 - 2011-12-29 07:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
This is what I use for hi/low sec exploration, it's very much like an Ishtar


Gila for serp rats

HIGHS- 3 assault missile launcher T2's, Improved Cloaking device T2, salvager t1
MIDS- Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon t1 Microwarpdrive & 10MN Afterburner T2I , 2 Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Inductions t1, Invulnerability Field T2ⁿ, Warp Disruptor T2*
LOWS- Co-Processor T2I, Damage Control Unit T2, Signal Amplifier T2°, Nano Fiber
RIGS- Core field extender t1, Anti-thermal screen t1, Anti-EM screen t1ⁿ
DRONES- 5 fed navy ogres, 5 fed navy bouncers, 5 Hobgoblin T2s, 5 Hammerhead T2s, 5 light ECM hornets, 5 light armor repair bot t1s, 5 Warrior T2s,
CARGO BAY- 200 nanite repair paste, 10k in Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missilesⁿ, and spare/swap out modules

*can be swapped for analyzer or code breaker or webber or what not
ⁿcan be doubled up on and set too what ever rats your fighting (example-serpentis hence the therm) I just can't stand the EM hole in shields so I have to patch it or I can't fly it with any peace of mind. Also if you can aford/make the T2 resist rigs they can be worth it here. Same also with the damage flavor of the light missles and drones.

And as for me I loves my deep space duel prop's I also fly a duel prop Pilgrim when I rome in null :) I can't use T2 heavys or sentrys so I use navy, but even if I could use T2 ogers I wouldn't as the tiny DPS increase (for me with my skills at least) is fare out shadowed buy the other stats ( fed having 100% more HP keep in mind low-mid drone skills so speed is a problem, and they get some agro some times). I use assault missile launchers because they take little fitting and with the 50% to missle speed they really help with the faction frig spawns that scramble and web.


I've also seen a lot of shield tanked ishtars set like this, for most sites 5/10 and down just droping drones and burning out to 70 and orbiting is enuff, I use an AB becouse I want to stay close kill the faction spawn and GTFO. You only need active tank for missions for exploration nano and MWD/cloak will be your friend. Also I've seen people use small rails as they fit ez and hit frigs.


If your doing sites you will need a cloak, you are going for esclations/faction spawns so if things are going well, you will end up in low sec for the phat lootz

hope this helps

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-29 10:48:04 UTC
my ishtar is null plex resilient

DC II 1600 mm plate, 2 race specific hardeners (dead space), one dead space repper, faction afterburner (reduces travel and NPC damage)

sentri omni tracking links, target painter

sentry drones, sentry drone damage rigs. (cloak or probe launcher)

Have tanked hardest anomalies, plexes and exploration stuff, fully autonomous, fits cloak, stays aligned, can drop cloak for probe launcher.

Why do I need 1600 mm plate and small repper? This way it is fully cap stable, has solid amor buffer vs very very hard plexes, tanked every room in maze 10/10 guristas, except the final boss room.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

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