Warfare & Tactics

Alliance hopping to avoid war is not considered an exploit. Just thought I should clear that up.

I don't have a link for you but a GM made a thread regarding the change in policy several months ago.

Also please remember that every time the corp declares war on someone it costs them money, and with each aggressive war declared against the target aliance the cost to declare war against that alliance is increased by 50 million. So to declare war against an alliance with 3 corporations costs 50 for the first corp 100 for the second and 150 for the third, totalling 300 million isk for a single war. If each corp has its maximum number of normal aggressive war slots filled (sometimes you can end up with aggressive wars in exccess of the limit because of corps dropping from their alliances) and that those wars are also against alliances (they may not be though) each corp is paying an additional 250 million per week. So that entire setup running with 3 corps costs 1.05 billion isk per week.

It costs less than that to form an alliance.

It's not actually a smart or cost effective way to operate, they'd be better of just forming an alliance

In that case my suggestion to you is to declare war on all of their corps and beat the snot out of them because what they are doing is not unusual and this is not an area in which CCP is likely to ever do anything to help you.

I didn't understand what you were getting at with this thread initially but I think I understand it now.

The corps are declaring war on alliances using different corps then all corp jumping to one specific corp to fight with only 1 alliance at a time thus rendering the other alliances with nothing to shoot at until it's their turn on the merry-go-round.

It's a perfectly legal tactic and there's very little you can do about it.

Eve players are a devious bunch and will always find ways of fighting on their terms. Quite a sensible outlook really.

One really good reason to no longer live in High Sec.

Move to Null and shoot who ever you damn well please.

Well certainly it is a sensible outlook should you take that approach. It happened to an alliance I belonged to as well and it really is more of a nuisance than anything else.

OP- As it stands now, I don't believe there is anything you can do. Petitioning won't do much if anything. The alliances can certainly reissue the dec and just beat the snot out of these tards (Instant Reaction Corp?) and hope that they don't form a 5th holding corp.

Eve is a game that tends to reward the aggressor. So as the old saying goes, your best defense is a good offense.

I'm sure you'd prefer to be left in peace but sadly this will happen if you play EVE long enough. Best to go on the offense at this point rather than just stand back and have one member after another start leaving.

1) Wardecing an alliance costs a lot.
2) You don't stay in the alliance. You hop into the alliance, the alliance gets the war, you leave....now free of wardec. Rinse and repeat until your aggressors get tired of constantly trying to wardec you to no avail.

It's a really stupid, wuss thing to do, but no more so than those you're dealing with.

You could also simply move into low or null where anyone that wants to fight you will HAVE to make themselves available for return combat....corp hopping be damned. You may find in fact that the less BS mechanics and CONCORD crap going on, the more enjoyable the game....even for carebears.

You haven't read the whole thread, but I'll address your comments here.

1., Wardeccing an alliance costs about 30 minutes of incursion running. (an hour if you're not running with a shiny fleet).
2., The problem isn't that they're deccing us. We're fine, we can handle ourselves, we're not carebears. The problem is that they're able to wardec essentially as many corps/alliances as they want for no cost, while being able to completely remove themselves from the possibility of retaliation through corpjumping. Read my post above this one and you'll see a more succinct version of what I'm trying to say.

Edit: you ninja'd me, and thanks for reading through the rest! :-)

The mechanic itself isn't actually broken. All they are doing is leaving a corp and joining another one which is perfectly legitimate and totally normal as there is no timer for leaving or joining corporations if you do not have roles, there are no other game mechanics involved.

Exactly what would you like them to not be able to do? Should people not be able to leave or join corporations while they are at war, or perhaps wars should follow people around for some time after they leave a corporation that is at war? Solutions like that are often proposed and would solve your problem but would have consequences that people often don't consider.

The wardec rules thread is still running around. I think it's in the general discussions subforum. Bottom line, whether or not it's broken, they aren't changing anything right away, but they are thinking through the problem to develop a new wardec system. I'm still a little confused as to what exactly your war targets are doing, but I'm curious why you aren't also doing something similar. Decshields are now also a valid counter wardec tactic. Using alts, you can easily raise the fees necessary to wardec you. Its simple.

Alt 1 learns corp management 1. He starts corp. Alt 2 starts a second corp. Alt 2 decs Alt 1 corp. Once the war goes live, Alt 1 corp joins your alliance. The alliance takes on the wardec. Repeat 20 times. 20 x 50million is 1 billion per week wardec maintenance fee vs. your alliance. Just decide how high you want the number to go. (There are many tricks you can use here to make things even easier; I'll let you do the testing. Hint: free alts) They get a free ride at the old dec price until their current paid period ends, at which point they get a new bill for the new amount. Just set up the cycle of wars so that they start approximately 24hrs or more after the day of the week on which the war target's wardec refreshes. Make sure to pay your initial two weeks up front (the first charge is deducted when you activate the war, the second when you open up your bill portion of the wallet right away and manually pay the second week in advance). You get two weeks of wardec shield pricing at the alliance level for the lowest possible wardec fees (corp vs corp). A few days before the two weeks are up, repeat the process. 20 wars handled like this will cost you 40 million (2mil per dec) and cost them 1 billion.