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Xenuria
#41 - 2015-06-06 20:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I think I see what your saying. I didn't mean like that. I mean to say that redemption through standings would not be the same as buying with isk. It would be automatically made permanent and activated to the player. I agree that an untethered standings based skin system is dumb.



The current system works perfectly. Everyone can either buy skins on the NES for a fixed price or buy from the market at a fluctuating price depending on supply and demand, there's also skins available through the LP store as well which cost the person no actual monetary investment.

What you're arguing to implement will not only cause discrimination (and yes, giving discounts to someone based on their personal preference of what to do in game IS discrimination) it will cost CCP lost revenue due to arbitrarily giving one specific subset of the game a discount.

If you want free or cheap skins Xenuria, do a deal with someone on the market just like everyone else.


If your argument is that my proposed changes are discrimination against personal preference than the same argument can just as easily be made about jump clone access in stations or the cost to reprocess in stations. A player with higher standing yields a profound benefit over one with no or low standing. The problem with your argument is that it's based on a poor understanding of how EvE works in the context of accessibility.

Every choice you make in eve has a consequence and those consequences never go away even though they might change form or be differed in some way. Players who have perfect 10.0 standing with Sansha Nation can already make a jump clone at ANY Sansha Nation station, they can also have 0% tax on reprocessing at ANY Sansha Nation Station. There is no harm in also allowing these same people who have made a ~choice~ to have all sansha skins permanently for free without the possibility of them profiting from it on the market.

I seriously feel that you should do some more research on the subject of time investment mechanics in EvE before attempting to debate this matter further.


Your argument makes no sense. I don't spend real life money to install a jump clone or reprocess and if CCP ever did make it that way I suspect the game would lose subscribers instantly. I'd also like to point out that you can't install a jump clone in any station, you have to physically be at the station but sure, you can install jump clones in any station you're physically in of that faction which proves that people with good standings already get enough of a benefit to not need to keep throwing more at them.

You seem to keep arguing that in game mechanics such as standings should influence out of game purchases and provide analogies that aren't at all relevant.

CCP are never going to let people have skins for free when they're on the cash market, give aways or limited time deals sure but never as a game mechanic.

If you can prove to me how your idea would work without providing irrelevant analogies and flawed logic then I'll consider it but so far all I see in your idea is a way to severely break the game and economy.

When did I say that standings should influence out of game purchases?

Pro Tip: I didn't.

CSM 12 Candidate
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2015-06-06 23:06:05 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

When did I say that standings should influence out of game purchases?

Pro Tip: I didn't.



That's what your ENTIRE PROPOSAL is about though?

SKINs are an out of game purchase. Bringing them into the game and making them free to people who grind out the standings IS influencing said purchase.

Do you actually read what people post when they try to debate with you, or skim the first line and make the rest up yourself?
Xenuria
#43 - 2015-06-07 01:24:17 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

When did I say that standings should influence out of game purchases?

Pro Tip: I didn't.



That's what your ENTIRE PROPOSAL is about though?

SKINs are an out of game purchase. Bringing them into the game and making them free to people who grind out the standings IS influencing said purchase.

Do you actually read what people post when they try to debate with you, or skim the first line and make the rest up yourself?


Your statement is flat inaccurate.
Skins are an IN-GAME item for use with IN-GAME assets. If by some cosmic humor you assumed this whole time I was talking about tee shirts from the eve store, than it would do much to explain the argument. Sorry for the confusion.

CSM 12 Candidate
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-06-07 10:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauresh Thellere
Xenuria wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

When did I say that standings should influence out of game purchases?

Pro Tip: I didn't.



That's what your ENTIRE PROPOSAL is about though?

SKINs are an out of game purchase. Bringing them into the game and making them free to people who grind out the standings IS influencing said purchase.

Do you actually read what people post when they try to debate with you, or skim the first line and make the rest up yourself?


Your statement is flat inaccurate.
Skins are an IN-GAME item for use with IN-GAME assets. If by some cosmic humor you assumed this whole time I was talking about tee shirts from the eve store, than it would do much to explain the argument. Sorry for the confusion.



Your lack of ability for comprehension is astounding. Skins are an out of game purchase as you purchase said skins with real money, they can be an in game purchase if you do so off the market but that's not what you're talking about. Skins are an in game asset but NOT an in game purchase.

Nobody is talking about shirts and other real world assets so please stop assuming we are.
Xenuria
#45 - 2015-06-07 15:17:08 UTC
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

When did I say that standings should influence out of game purchases?

Pro Tip: I didn't.



That's what your ENTIRE PROPOSAL is about though?

SKINs are an out of game purchase. Bringing them into the game and making them free to people who grind out the standings IS influencing said purchase.

Do you actually read what people post when they try to debate with you, or skim the first line and make the rest up yourself?


Your statement is flat inaccurate.
Skins are an IN-GAME item for use with IN-GAME assets. If by some cosmic humor you assumed this whole time I was talking about tee shirts from the eve store, than it would do much to explain the argument. Sorry for the confusion.



Your lack of ability for comprehension is astounding. Skins are an out of game purchase as you purchase said skins with real money, they can be an in game purchase if you do so off the market but that's not what you're talking about. Skins are an in game asset but NOT an in game purchase.

Nobody is talking about shirts and other real world assets so please stop assuming we are.


That's just not true.
Skins are bought with in-game currency for use with in-game assets.
The "we" showed your hand, now please stop trolling my thread.

CSM 12 Candidate
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2015-06-07 16:22:58 UTC
Xenuria wrote:


That's just not true.
Skins are bought with in-game currency for use with in-game assets.
The "we" showed your hand, now please stop trolling my thread.


No. Stop this.

SKINs are bought with AURUM, which is an OUT OF GAME PURCHASE. All AUR, barring what little we were given for free a few years back, is an out of game purchase. AUR is not an in game currency in the same way that ISK is, as you have no choice but to buy it for out of game money. What you do with it when you have it is another matter, but the source of ALL permanent SKINs is out of game currency.

If your entire position on this is based on your own tremendous misinterpretation, then you really have no business being anywhere near the CSM.

I suggest you learn what a microtransaction is, what the point of it is, how they make money for CCP, and take thirty seconds to think before you reply to something if you have multiple people who have never spoken before all calling you out on exactly the same thing.
Xenuria
#47 - 2015-06-07 22:02:29 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Xenuria wrote:


That's just not true.
Skins are bought with in-game currency for use with in-game assets.
The "we" showed your hand, now please stop trolling my thread.


No. Stop this.

SKINs are bought with AURUM, which is an OUT OF GAME PURCHASE. All AUR, barring what little we were given for free a few years back, is an out of game purchase. AUR is not an in game currency in the same way that ISK is, as you have no choice but to buy it for out of game money. What you do with it when you have it is another matter, but the source of ALL permanent SKINs is out of game currency.

If your entire position on this is based on your own tremendous misinterpretation, then you really have no business being anywhere near the CSM.

I suggest you learn what a microtransaction is, what the point of it is, how they make money for CCP, and take thirty seconds to think before you reply to something if you have multiple people who have never spoken before all calling you out on exactly the same thing.


False...

Not having this discussion with you anymore, if you want CCP to change how MT works talk to them not me.

CSM 12 Candidate
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-06-07 22:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauresh Thellere
Xenuria wrote:


That's just not true.
Skins are bought with in-game currency for use with in-game assets.
The "we" showed your hand, now please stop trolling my thread.


I honestly can't tell if you're serious or if this is just one giant elaborate troll.

Skins can ONLY be bought using in game currency when said skin has been purchased for real money, the only exception to this is the pirate timed skins which are loot drops or the police skins which are purchased for LP but this is really basic stuff and everyone knows it already.

I find it offensive that you call me a troll when you have an entirely wrong understanding of the game and refuse to even research your own claims before trying to refute me.

Since nobody is ignorant enough to claim all skins are purchased for in game currency I will assume your entire CSM platform is a troll and refuse to interact with you any further (calling anyone who disagrees with you proves that you have no intention of running a legitimate CSM campaign as evidenced by your CSM 10 thread where anyone asking you to prove your claims or provide further information was labeled a troll).

P.S. who the hell is "we"? I don't have multiple personality disorder.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2015-06-07 22:27:39 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Xenuria wrote:


That's just not true.
Skins are bought with in-game currency for use with in-game assets.
The "we" showed your hand, now please stop trolling my thread.


No. Stop this.

SKINs are bought with AURUM, which is an OUT OF GAME PURCHASE. All AUR, barring what little we were given for free a few years back, is an out of game purchase. AUR is not an in game currency in the same way that ISK is, as you have no choice but to buy it for out of game money. What you do with it when you have it is another matter, but the source of ALL permanent SKINs is out of game currency.

If your entire position on this is based on your own tremendous misinterpretation, then you really have no business being anywhere near the CSM.

I suggest you learn what a microtransaction is, what the point of it is, how they make money for CCP, and take thirty seconds to think before you reply to something if you have multiple people who have never spoken before all calling you out on exactly the same thing.


False...

Not having this discussion with you anymore, if you want CCP to change how MT works talk to them not me.



Then explain how a SKIN can be acquired in any way that does NOT involve someone spending real money on AUR at some point in the chain.
Erika Mizune
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#50 - 2015-06-09 03:39:26 UTC
I don't even ... Not sure if serious or troll post again ...

AUR is currency that you buy via Account managment which gets put into the ingame Eve store. This is NOT a ingame currency like isk where you can just grind for it, you have to pay real money for AUR to even get these skins.

There are AUR tokens on the market, but even thoes HAD to be bought via the ingame eve store, not something you are able to get without the use or real money.

I'm not exactly sure where you are going on this, but you may want to do some research.

See links: https://secure.eveonline.com/AurStore/

That is the link to buy your AUR, which also explains how they work; so again, this is NOT "ingame" (as is free, grind-able currency, ie. isk).

Just to quote from that link I posted:

AUR Store wrote:
You can buy Aurum (AUR) packages in various amounts to suit your needs. Available packages are listed below and any purchased AUR will be added to your account, visible in the New Eden Store.


What is AUR? wrote:
Aurum (AUR) is a virtual currency that can be used to purchase items from the New Eden Store. These items include a range of exclusive apparel that can be worn by your capsuleer or traded to others for ISK on the in-game market. We also offer ship customizations that allows you to change the appearance of selected number of ships. Aurum can be acquired by converting PLEX into AUR, or by purchasing Aurum directly.


This above speaks of converting Plex into AUR, but Plex is ALSO something that also have to be bought via account management first. Sure it's in the market, but in order for it to be in the market a player had to physically BUY that plex with real money.

How does AUR work? wrote:
When you purchase an AUR package, the Aurum value of the package you purchased will be added to your New Eden Store account. It will appear when you next open the New Eden Store.

Aurum can only be used in the New Eden Store and cannot be transferred once bought.


How else can you buy a skin without the use of buying AUR? You can't exactly get them via LP or the like, nor should they be. I think you are confusing a bit here and maybe need to research more? On the flip side, it's nice that you writing about something other than before on the last campaign; but isn't it a little too early for posting up a CSM 11 campaign thread as 10 just started?

Anyways, I just wanted to say my two bits here,

Fly dangerously,

Erika <3

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#51 - 2015-07-20 17:40:14 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

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