Ships & Modules

So I fly In gallente FW and I've always noticed some thing, if you get 10 pleople in minnie, ammar, or caldari hulls you will get 10 similar ships, you get 10 people in Gallente hulls and you get 7 MWD's and 2 salvegers. Is it just me or dose the Gallente meta seem non-existent? I know lots of people talk about blasters and race based problems with Hybrids and hull (me included) but the meta its self is only vaguely talked about. Also for the most part this "meta" is undefined and often misplaced. what is it we do with Gallente hulls? this is what I want to talk about!

So some ground rules
-No race to race comparisons that are not about how to deal with the other race in PVP
-No fix this fix, that need this need that, how you do it now or how you would use the ships now.
-No it has to be only this talk, why you use only this is fine.
-Solutions to problems not complaints

lets discus for our betterment! And for the poor noobs, so they can get an idea from people that use this stuff what they should try out.


So the most common tactic I've witnessed is the warp to 0 on the heavy tackle. This for Gallente hulls typically works well blasters doing heavy DPS and drones getting their DPS on target quik, but this also works well for all close range/travel time based attack types, and aside from the heavy blaster DPS nothing else the Gallente hulls do adds to the plan. These fleets are usually thorax/brutix/megathron. Most will have full tackle. Most will have only mild tanks, relieing more on there combined DPS removing incoming DPS as opposed to tanking damage. They will often deal so much damage that they have to split fire from the onset to avoid wasting DPS. They have a hard time vs nano, and lose the field to reinforcement's at range or the enemy fleet redeploying at range.

I have also flown with RR sentry domi's this works well for camping/bashing, but little else, As its ez to avoid a fight on the domi's terms. They can be tough to crack, but the harder they tank (adding cap-transfer) the more that they rely on drone DPS which can be attacked and removed with DPS. I have never gotten to do this with Mega's hear its more useful but just don't see it over the other BS fleets (alpha and other RR)

I have seen so few Gallente Rail fits I often get confused at the blue of the rail guns coming from Gallente ships, and wonder if they are serpentis ratts.

I have seen Gallente drone boats (that do 75% or more of there DPS in drones) be turned away from fleets.

Have only ever seen 4 Gallente HAC's in PvP

Any one else have any observations to start this off?

I hear that, but I do not know how much of that is the Gallente's fault or the turret>missile>drone ideology of the current environment instantly making 1/2 there hulls undesirable. It is also horable that most people try to make them ape minytard, fail and then blame the hull/race.
I also do not believe they are nearly UP as people say, I attribute a lot of peoples complaints with miss use or confusion as to there use.
I fly with lots of people that use Gallente boats, its just that most of use can fly multi racial so we fly what we need for our strategy. I would like to fly these boats more, and would like to understand them better.
One I look at them as a race I see some useful stuff (tho mostly PvE) Hi point-blank DPS, versatility in drones, easy access to mid slots for speed and tackle, T2 resist bonuses that work against all weapon types & help fill armor and shield holes, and just being armor tanks . The thing is I only see some of it used.

I have been on the receiving of a dampiner curtain, and it's a hard fight to deal with fo shure.
I have never worked with damps in a group not also using falcons, or disco-scorps( FYI add 2 disco-scorps w/ warp in to a sniper fleet sprinkle with damps set to rez, enjoy!)
Ill try it, tho IDK the inability to deal with nano at all + no engagement control.

This will never work out of High sec or NPC 0.0 empty space where a few roamers come search fights.
The moment your gang is spotted a single 10 maelstroms/arty canes/scimi will pop one by one your fleet provided they have a decent FC.
Why do you think lachesis and arazus are the ones you see in top20 from time to time? -those are the only useful fleet/large gang ships and look at the KM's you'll see they're used with long points and rarely with RD's.

lol

If nothing else, damps might see some increased use with the plethora of T3 BCs sitting 100km off of the gate.

In the Battle of Legnica , the other famous example of successful Gallente fleet doctrine, the combined forces of Europe in fleets of heavily armor tanked Brutixes took on the Mongols who were using Nano-artillery Canes.

Here it is best to quote wikipedia directly:

Ineffectiveness of European-style warfare against MongolsThe traditional European warfare method of hand-to-hand combat (read: close range blaster combat) between knights ended in catastrophe when it was deployed against the Mongol forces (read: nano-Canes).

The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Volume 29, says that "Employed against the Mongol invaders of Europe, knightly warfare failed even more disastrously for the Poles at Legnica and the Hungarians at Mohi in 1241. Feudal Europe was saved from sharing the fate of China and Muscovy not by its tactical prowess but by the unexpected death of the Mongols' supreme ruler, Ogedei, and the subsequent eastward retreat of his armies."[7]

While the heavily armored European knights lost the battle, they did their job perfectly by dying glorious deaths and are now part of history that will last forever.

I'd look more to MMOs and games than history. Your standard MDPS class has a middling tank, high close range DPS, cap closers and snares (overheated MWD approach, scram combo here in Eve Online). In Eve, the water is a bit muddied because you don't have a full on gap closer (teleport) like other MMOs do, but you do have a permanent no diminishing return root - so its probably about even.

Now as gang sizes go up the value of MDPS goes down - naturally - as the ability to immediately coordinate damage from range becomes more important. However, that's not unexpected and nor is it really a bad thing.

-Liang

lol @ ridiculous hyperboles

But I like bored ramblings. Can you put it back?

-Liang

So you are saying that...the moment the Maelstroms get a lock, sometime in 2013, they will alpha stuff. True of everything. But the lock time of a Mael with a res damp on it vs a AHAC is in the region of 20 seconds+. Your Lachesis can cycle range damps to make him drop that lock, and he starts again. And again. And again.

You clearly have no idea how to properly RSD.