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How to move BS's safely in/out of C3/C4 WH's?

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Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-06-03 01:01:49 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
I was refering to the fits.
Generally you can use your highslots to create cap, using 2 transfers and 3 egress rigs. Then shieldtank it, use an X-type pith booster since they're only 100ish mil, and get all those heat sinks. (Similar to the rattlesnake above, with c-type hardeners instead of boost amps cause you don't have that much CPU) Then pay attention your nightmares don't boat apart from each other.


Or this Shield NM Fit

High Slot
4x Mega Pulse Laser II + Scorch ~ 766 @ 58.3 + 21.3 km
2x Large Regard Remote Cap Transmitter

Mids
1x Large Micro Jump Drive
1x Gist C-type 100 MN AB
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1x Tracking Computer II (optimal range script)
1x Heavy Cap Booster II (navy 800's)
1x Pith X-type X-Large Shield Booster

Lows
1x Internal Force Field Array I
3x Heat Sink II
2x Tracking Enhancer II

Rigs
2x Large Egress Port Maximizer I
1x Large Anti- EM Screen Reinforcer II

Drones
10x Hobs II
5x Warriors II

Shield Resist Profile with links 68 68 75 79
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#22 - 2015-06-03 01:25:06 UTC
These guys posting in here are gonna find you & gank u.
The C4 sites worth running do 2k dps omni + nuets + web + scram.
Trying to a solo ship will end badly unless maruader.
RR + cap chains. You can't outrep the damage with boosters.

There's a reason why every1 and their mother uses shield tanked rr domi's when starting out C4's.
There's also a sticked thread on this very subject.
Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-03 01:57:37 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
These guys posting in here are gonna find you & gank u.
The C4 sites worth running do 2k dps omni + nuets + web + scram.
Trying to a solo ship will end badly unless maruader.
RR + cap chains. You can't outrep the damage with boosters.

There's a reason why every1 and their mother uses shield tanked rr domi's when starting out C4's.
There's also a sticked thread on this very subject.


Yea probably, but I hope to get help to at least get started. Afterall it's no use killing a baby piglet until it's grown and fatten up, right.

Could you please tell me if an armor linked Paladin can do C4's, if so, how and what fittings work?
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#24 - 2015-06-03 04:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Sespria Secantus wrote:
Pook600 wrote:
Have you considered joining a WH corp?


If I could find a noob friendly one without any awoxers, I'd consider them.


Now you are not going to find them.

Sespria Secantus wrote:

Yea probably, but I hope to get help to at least get started. Afterall it's no use killing a baby piglet until it's grown and fatten up, right.


Welcome to wspace.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#25 - 2015-06-03 13:51:14 UTC
You may move BS most safely into a c3/C4 by using a highsec connection.

Getting it out safely dpends on a lot of things. Your fit not even being the most important.

I suggest trying out lowclass wormholes in cheaper ships first until scanning, d-scanning and bookmarking both sides has become your second nature.
Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-06-03 23:43:02 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
You may move BS most safely into a c3/C4 by using a highsec connection.

Getting it out safely dpends on a lot of things. Your fit not even being the most important.

I suggest trying out lowclass wormholes in cheaper ships first until scanning, d-scanning and bookmarking both sides has become your second nature.


Ty, Guess that means it's back to the Confessor & Svipuls for C2's. If I'm in a C3 wormhole and someone collapses the HS static, does the WH respawn another HS static elsewhere?
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#27 - 2015-06-03 23:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonn Duune
Sespria Secantus wrote:
Adriana Nolen wrote:
These guys posting in here are gonna find you & gank u.
The C4 sites worth running do 2k dps omni + nuets + web + scram.
Trying to a solo ship will end badly unless maruader.
RR + cap chains. You can't outrep the damage with boosters.

There's a reason why every1 and their mother uses shield tanked rr domi's when starting out C4's.
There's also a sticked thread on this very subject.


Yea probably, but I hope to get help to at least get started. Afterall it's no use killing a baby piglet until it's grown and fatten up, right.

Could you please tell me if an armor linked Paladin can do C4's, if so, how and what fittings work?



Paladins should be able to solo a c4 site without links afaik. But links never hurt. Now for fittings, let me EFT something up quickly.

Now, things you need to know: C4s are much less common directly connected to K-space, and much more commonly connected in chains (starting with lower class WH and working your way up, if you are serious about doing c4 sites, don't just pray for kspace connections).

Paladin (Max Skills fitting): **WARNING, this won't be cheap**

Rigs:
1 x Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
1 x Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Lows:
- Repairing Power -
2 x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
- Resists -
2 x Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
- Gun Bonus -
1 x Dark Blood Heat Sink
- Cap Life -
2 x Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay

Mids:
- Gun Bonus -
1 x Tracking Computer II
- Cap Life -
2 x Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
- Escape Button -
1 x Large Micro Jump Drive

Highs:
- The thing that makes it all work -
1 x Bastion Module I
- Guns -
4 x Tachyon Beam Laser II
- Utility -
1 x Improved Cloaking Device
1 x Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Things to know about this fitting:

1) Its extremely cap stable, with everything running you are +55 cap/s, so neuting should not bother you.

2) DPS is respectable, if you are running this in pairs, you'll chew through c4 sites (though I wouldn't recommend c5 sites with this fitting). DPS is 549 (gun only) at 96+40 with Imperial Navy Xray (which is probably the range you want to be at for c4 sleepers). DPS is 658 (gun) + 99 (drone) @ 64+40 with Imperial Navy Multifrequency,

3) Your biggest weakness will be dealing with close range sleeper frigs. The drones will take care of them, but rather slowly. So keep that in mind

4) There are no links given with this fitting.

5) EFT says the resist profile is 82/77/77/79 with a repping power of 3234

6) With max skills, this fitting requires a +1% PG implant.

Now, if you are serious about looking for a WH corp, and you like to PVP as well as PVE, join me in my recruitment channel: Radical Recruiting. We can teach you a way to basically make 100-150 mil an hour doing not much more than sitting in chat shooting the ****. We also can guide you into the path of marauders, where your haul can jump north of 300 mil isk an hour.

And yes, we do take noobs. As long as you are committed to not staying a noob. We will mould you into a WHORE :)

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-06-04 00:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sespria Secantus
This is very helpful Jonn Duune, I'l talk to you in game soon. As of right now I have 2 chars with around 21 mill SP that can fly NM's, that are training for the Paly. I'll be able to fly the Paly with Marauder skill at level 4 in 2 more months....sigh. Do your Corp accept NM pilots or is it best to wait until I get the Paly skill to least level 4? Also that fit is a tad to blingy for me unless I was in a good trustworthy wormhole corp that had my back covered,so what about this fit?

Highs
4x Tachyons + NavyGamma ~ 622dps @ 80km + 39km (Bastion)
2x Medium NOS II
1x Improved Cloaking Device

Mids
1x Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Cap Recharger II
1x Tracking Computer II (optimal range script)

Lows
1x DC II
2x Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
2x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Imperial Navy Heat Sink
1x Capacitor Power Relay II

Rigs
2x Large CCC II

Drones
10x Hobs II ~ 92 dps
5x Warriors II ~ 73 dps

Cap stable @ 47.4% without NOS/Smartbombs & Large Micro Jump Active
Armor Resist Profile is 86 81 81 83 with Armor Links + Bastion, tanks 3128 dps
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#29 - 2015-06-04 06:01:43 UTC
Sespria Secantus wrote:
Ty, Guess that means it's back to the Confessor & Svipuls for C2's. If I'm in a C3 wormhole and someone collapses the HS static, does the WH respawn another HS static elsewhere?


Yes. but only if the hole was really the static. You can find out the static of a hole on sites like eveye or such.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#30 - 2015-06-04 12:33:53 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
The C4 sites worth running do 2k dps omni + nuets + web + scram.


That's a needlessly high estimate. I came to love frontier barracks cause of the BS heavy spawns, and running them rather smoothly with ~1.6k dps and 800 ehp/s tank.
Zand Vor
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#31 - 2015-06-04 12:44:02 UTC
If you haven't found a home yet or just want a place to hang out and ask questions ingame, join Low-Class public channel and ask away, any of us would be glad to help out.

Your Pally fit looks decent but as always, using high isk ships is risky. There are a lot of cheaper alternatives that our member corps use.

Please fix wormhole combat sites: c1 20mil - c2 40 mil - c3 80 mil - c4 160 mil - c5 320 mil - c6 640 mil

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#32 - 2015-06-04 13:33:48 UTC
If you're running a solo marauder, you should fit a faction em smartbomb (one of those with 7.5km range). Without a second ship on grid or EWAR present, drones become a frequent target for sleepers and frigs in particular, running a smartbomb or two allows you to dispose of all orbiting frigs at once within a couple cycles.

[Paladin, C4]

Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Bastion Module I
True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

does fine. At some points in relics needs to refit another cap power relais.

The waves that both hurt and neut tend to consist of barely tanked sleepers (50k ehp sleepless upholders). The sturdy ones with damage (sleepless defeender, sleepless preserver (missiles only), 140ish k ehp each) don't neut afaik.
Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-06-05 01:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sespria Secantus
Lloyd Roses wrote:
If you're running a solo marauder, you should fit a faction em smartbomb (one of those with 7.5km range). Without a second ship on grid or EWAR present, drones become a frequent target for sleepers and frigs in particular, running a smartbomb or two allows you to dispose of all orbiting frigs at once within a couple cycles.

[Paladin, C4]

Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Bastion Module I
True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

does fine. At some points in relics needs to refit another cap power relais.

The waves that both hurt and neut tend to consist of barely tanked sleepers (50k ehp sleepless upholders). The sturdy ones with damage (sleepless defeender, sleepless preserver (missiles only), 140ish k ehp each) don't neut afaik.


Ty Lloyd, I avoided using Large Pulses even with scorch because they have much lower dps & range compared to Tachyons, but they do allow you to fit that large smartbomb. I was thinking of bringing in a cap stable triple large repping Domi filled with t1 warriors/hobs to deal with the frigs so my Paly can focus on the rest, is this feasible?
Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-06-05 01:23:12 UTC
Zand Vor wrote:
If you haven't found a home yet or just want a place to hang out and ask questions ingame, join Low-Class public channel and ask away, any of us would be glad to help out.

Your Pally fit looks decent but as always, using high isk ships is risky. There are a lot of cheaper alternatives that our member corps use.


Can you send me a text in game about those cheaper alternatives. From what I gathered the other cheaper alternatives are 3 RR domis which require a ton of micro managing, 2 Tengus + basilisk which I don't have, and 2 RR Rattlers which I'm far from training for.

The only ships I can fly from my arsenal of toons are: 2 NM's------training for Paladins (in 66-100 days) , 2 RR Domis-------training for Rattlesnakes (can fly now without missile skills, missile skills take another 100+ days) a maxed laser Legion, a Scanning/Salvager and a Armor/Siege/Skirmish link booster.
Newt BlackCompany
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-06-05 05:48:16 UTC
Sespria Secantus wrote:
[quote=Zand Vor]
The only ships I can fly from my arsenal of toons are: 2 NM's------training for Paladins (in 66-100 days) , 2 RR Domis-------training for Rattlesnakes (can fly now without missile skills, missile skills take another 100+ days) a maxed laser Legion, a Scanning/Salvager and a Armor/Siege/Skirmish link booster.


You don't need missile skills with the rattles above. They are drone boats, so I guess you are good to go. They seem to have come down a bit in price recently, to about 500M each.

For a WH corp, you probably want to be able to fly at least one T3 (for pvp), and a covops frigate (best is helios or buzzard) for scanning. Scanning is life in a WH - without it there is no content and vast boredom.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#36 - 2015-06-05 11:30:05 UTC
There are two sorts of sleepers, those that orbit close [~20km] and those that sit at about 65k range mostly. The guys out there are the fragile upholders and preservers that arguably can take quite a beating. For the closely orbiting cruisers, you want to use multi even with pulses, to get some resemblance of applied damage on to them.

Wouldn't consider a second ship just for frigs. Depending on site, there are like... barely any.
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#37 - 2015-06-05 12:14:56 UTC
Sespria Secantus wrote:
This is very helpful Jonn Duune, I'l talk to you in game soon. As of right now I have 2 chars with around 21 mill SP that can fly NM's, that are training for the Paly. I'll be able to fly the Paly with Marauder skill at level 4 in 2 more months....sigh. Do your Corp accept NM pilots or is it best to wait until I get the Paly skill to least level 4? Also that fit is a tad to blingy for me unless I was in a good trustworthy wormhole corp that had my back covered,so what about this fit?

Highs
4x Tachyons + NavyGamma ~ 622dps @ 80km + 39km (Bastion)
2x Medium NOS II
1x Improved Cloaking Device

Mids
1x Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Cap Recharger II
1x Tracking Computer II (optimal range script)

Lows
1x DC II
2x Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
2x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Imperial Navy Heat Sink
1x Capacitor Power Relay II

Rigs
2x Large CCC II

Drones
10x Hobs II ~ 92 dps
5x Warriors II ~ 73 dps

Cap stable @ 47.4% without NOS/Smartbombs & Large Micro Jump Active
Armor Resist Profile is 86 81 81 83 with Armor Links + Bastion, tanks 3128 dps


That fittings not bad, you don't have the PG to fit large NOS? That rep ammount should be sufficient. Though I'd prefer the cap stability to be above 50% just to keep the extra neuting from affecting you.

Now for joining us, we don't use nightmares, but we have several low-skill intensive options for making the dank isk... at most like 5-6 days training.


My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Sespria Secantus
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-06-06 05:36:45 UTC
Jonn Duune wrote:
Sespria Secantus wrote:
This is very helpful Jonn Duune, I'l talk to you in game soon. As of right now I have 2 chars with around 21 mill SP that can fly NM's, that are training for the Paly. I'll be able to fly the Paly with Marauder skill at level 4 in 2 more months....sigh. Do your Corp accept NM pilots or is it best to wait until I get the Paly skill to least level 4? Also that fit is a tad to blingy for me unless I was in a good trustworthy wormhole corp that had my back covered,so what about this fit?

Highs
4x Tachyons + NavyGamma ~ 622dps @ 80km + 39km (Bastion)
2x Medium NOS II
1x Improved Cloaking Device

Mids
1x Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Cap Recharger II
1x Tracking Computer II (optimal range script)

Lows
1x DC II
2x Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
2x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Imperial Navy Heat Sink
1x Capacitor Power Relay II

Rigs
2x Large CCC II

Drones
10x Hobs II ~ 92 dps
5x Warriors II ~ 73 dps

Cap stable @ 47.4% without NOS/Smartbombs & Large Micro Jump Active
Armor Resist Profile is 86 81 81 83 with Armor Links + Bastion, tanks 3128 dps


That fittings not bad, you don't have the PG to fit large NOS? That rep ammount should be sufficient. Though I'd prefer the cap stability to be above 50% just to keep the extra neuting from affecting you.

Now for joining us, we don't use nightmares, but we have several low-skill intensive options for making the dank isk... at most like 5-6 days training.




Well I can replace the imperial Navy Heat Sink with a Capacitor Power Relay II to bring to cap stability to 63.6%, but that drops the gun dps to 496 which won't be enough for C4's. I want to be able to do C4's with just one Paly because bringing in 2 Palys for C4's is way too risky for a noobie wormholer. Or maybe bring a mobile depot for on the fly fitting and replace the Large micro jump drive for another Cap recharge II and refit the LMJD when ships are spotted on D- scan, or would it be to late?
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#39 - 2015-06-06 17:31:18 UTC
Sespria Secantus wrote:
Jonn Duune wrote:
Sespria Secantus wrote:
This is very helpful Jonn Duune, I'l talk to you in game soon. As of right now I have 2 chars with around 21 mill SP that can fly NM's, that are training for the Paly. I'll be able to fly the Paly with Marauder skill at level 4 in 2 more months....sigh. Do your Corp accept NM pilots or is it best to wait until I get the Paly skill to least level 4? Also that fit is a tad to blingy for me unless I was in a good trustworthy wormhole corp that had my back covered,so what about this fit?

Highs
4x Tachyons + NavyGamma ~ 622dps @ 80km + 39km (Bastion)
2x Medium NOS II
1x Improved Cloaking Device

Mids
1x Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Cap Recharger II
1x Tracking Computer II (optimal range script)

Lows
1x DC II
2x Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
2x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1x Imperial Navy Heat Sink
1x Capacitor Power Relay II

Rigs
2x Large CCC II

Drones
10x Hobs II ~ 92 dps
5x Warriors II ~ 73 dps

Cap stable @ 47.4% without NOS/Smartbombs & Large Micro Jump Active
Armor Resist Profile is 86 81 81 83 with Armor Links + Bastion, tanks 3128 dps


That fittings not bad, you don't have the PG to fit large NOS? That rep ammount should be sufficient. Though I'd prefer the cap stability to be above 50% just to keep the extra neuting from affecting you.

Now for joining us, we don't use nightmares, but we have several low-skill intensive options for making the dank isk... at most like 5-6 days training.




Well I can replace the imperial Navy Heat Sink with a Capacitor Power Relay II to bring to cap stability to 63.6%, but that drops the gun dps to 496 which won't be enough for C4's. I want to be able to do C4's with just one Paly because bringing in 2 Palys for C4's is way too risky for a noobie wormholer. Or maybe bring a mobile depot for on the fly fitting and replace the Large micro jump drive for another Cap recharge II and refit the LMJD when ships are spotted on D- scan, or would it be to late?



To be honest, unless you are at the exact end of your bastion cycle, it'd probably be too late anyways :), but it's worth a shot.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#40 - 2015-06-07 16:42:02 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
These guys posting in here are gonna find you & gank u.
The C4 sites worth running do 2k dps omni + nuets + web + scram.
Trying to a solo ship will end badly unless maruader.
RR + cap chains. You can't outrep the damage with boosters.

There's a reason why every1 and their mother uses shield tanked rr domi's when starting out C4's.
There's also a sticked thread on this very subject.


A single passive rattlesnake can run all C4 anoms (second wave of Info Sanc and Barracks can be a bit spooky at times) Evacuation Centers and Trinary Hubs.

Marauders are only needed for C5s, if you find a C5 Pulsar two of the passive Rattlers can probably run the sites (I dunno, I haven't had the chance to try but you can at least tank the things in one)

A passive Gila will do C1/C2 without much issue.
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