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The Grind To Good Standings With All Empire Factions

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Morikar
#1 - 2015-06-02 00:02:37 UTC
I've taken it upon myself to try and grind all faction standings up to the point I can run Level 4 missions for each of them. I am planning to do all the career agents first, then depending on where I stand after that will determine next steps.

Why am I doing this?

Because it's fun. I've already made a ton of ISK via trading and industry and now I'm turning my attention to standings. You could say this is one of the things on my eve bucket list. And it might be helpful to new players.

Current applicable skills:
Connections 4
Diplomacy 3
Social 4

Here are my baseline standings:

Faction, Standing, (base standing before skills)
Amarr 1.63 (-0.05)
Gallente 1.07 (-0.14)
Mimatar 0.96 (-0.33)
Caldari 0.83 (-0.41)

I just ran through one of the military career agents for Caldari and here's where I stand after:

Amarr 1.64 (0.04)
Gallente 0.99 (-0.23)
Mimatar 0.88 (-0.36)
Caldari 1.00 (-0.23)

So I gained:
0.09 with Amarr
0.18 with Caldari

And I lost:
0.09 with Gallente
0.03 with Minmatar

So a net gain of 0.15 faction standings (before Connections/Diplomacy modifiers)

Took about 45 mins to run all 10 missions in a Punisher. I think I spent about 2 million ISK in total on the ship (only because I slapped a few rigs on it and some tech 2 gear, really not necessary but whatever).

Will keep this thread updated as I can :)
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-06-02 01:04:20 UTC
having the skill up is a big part of it. Don't forget the some what neutral factions like sisters of eve that give good derived standings. Also the level 4 epic arcs give faction standing free of the derived hit to opposing factions so you'll probably want to run those as soon as possible so you can get the timer going on re-doing them

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2015-06-02 01:58:52 UTC
I would try alternating between amarr (gives large caldari derived bonuses) and SOE (strong gallente, and medium minmatar derived standings) missions. think you will need to throw in a few minmatar missions. Or maybe skip SoE and go for gallente, that way you are getting full gains to gal, and large gains to minny. add in some epic arcs, and you should be able to do it.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#4 - 2015-06-02 13:43:52 UTC
You can do this, but it will be a long hard road.

This can help if you apply it on a rotating basis for all 4 factions.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan?_ga=1.160878197.938609213.1407616969

Many of the other ideas presented here will help as well.

Never accept a faction mission from any agent, just do not do it EVER.

In what follows define X as a specific number of story line missions. Many mission runners use 4 but that is up to you.
For this example we will use alphabetical order just to i9llustrate the points.

Run missions for Amarr afilliated until you have run X story lines.
Switch to Caldari until you have run X story lines.
Switch to Gallente until you have run X story lines.
Switch to Minmatar until you have run X story lines.
Go back to start.
Combining this with never running any faction missions and you will slowly over time build your faction standings to all 4.

From the social skills train these. While they may not help alot they will not take long to train to level 4 either and on the theory that anything that does not hurt you may help you why not.
Social
Connections
Diplomacy
Fast talk
Negotiation

Train which ever of these applies to the missions you run.
Distribution Connections
Mining Connections
Security Connections

If ISK is not a concern then get a ship fit for it and blitz missions. More mission over the same period = more standing gains over that period of time.

Yossarian Toralen
M and M Enterpises
#5 - 2015-06-02 14:33:01 UTC
Is it even possible to get all major factions to 5?

I know that you have to get corp standings to 5 to run level 4 missions, not sure about faction standings though.
Morikar
#6 - 2015-06-02 15:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Morikar
ergherhdfgh wrote:
having the skill up is a big part of it. Don't forget the some what neutral factions like sisters of eve that give good derived standings. Also the level 4 epic arcs give faction standing free of the derived hit to opposing factions so you'll probably want to run those as soon as possible so you can get the timer going on re-doing them


Yes, I'm going to run the SOE epic arc after I did some of the career agents :)

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I would try alternating between amarr (gives large caldari derived bonuses) and SOE (strong gallente, and medium minmatar derived standings) missions. think you will need to throw in a few minmatar missions. Or maybe skip SoE and go for gallente, that way you are getting full gains to gal, and large gains to minny. add in some epic arcs, and you should be able to do it.


Right now my goal is to do all the career agents and see where I land. There's 15 agents per faction, if I gain 0.15 net faction per agent that should land me with a decent standing with each, enough to run L2's at least.

Donnachadh wrote:
You can do this, but it will be a long hard road.

This can help if you apply it on a rotating basis for all 4 factions.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan?_ga=1.160878197.938609213.1407616969

Many of the other ideas presented here will help as well.

Never accept a faction mission from any agent, just do not do it EVER.

In what follows define X as a specific number of story line missions. Many mission runners use 4 but that is up to you.
For this example we will use alphabetical order just to i9llustrate the points.

Run missions for Amarr afilliated until you have run X story lines.
Switch to Caldari until you have run X story lines.
Switch to Gallente until you have run X story lines.
Switch to Minmatar until you have run X story lines.
Go back to start.
Combining this with never running any faction missions and you will slowly over time build your faction standings to all 4.

From the social skills train these. While they may not help alot they will not take long to train to level 4 either and on the theory that anything that does not hurt you may help you why not.
Social
Connections
Diplomacy
Fast talk
Negotiation

Train which ever of these applies to the missions you run.
Distribution Connections
Mining Connections
Security Connections

If ISK is not a concern then get a ship fit for it and blitz missions. More mission over the same period = more standing gains over that period of time.



I'm somewhat following the faction repair plan yes. Starting with the career agents and moving onto other things depending on how my standings look after completing all of them.

Yossarian Toralen wrote:
Is it even possible to get all major factions to 5?

I know that you have to get corp standings to 5 to run level 4 missions, not sure about faction standings though.


I've seen screenshots of it posted so I think it's possible, but I'm not entirely sure. There is a lot of see-sawing your standings around to get there for sure.

It's a fun challenge and will be neat to see if it's actually possible.

The challenge after this is to see if I can get the pirate factions up to the same level while keeping the high empire standings (pretty sure that's impossible but I might give it a shot down the road).


As a side note, I'm doing the scanning career agent next. I haven't done probing and scanning for probably 2 years, it's an interesting change what they did. Especially to Hacking, that's very different than it was when I did it before.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2015-06-02 17:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Yossarian Toralen wrote:
Is it even possible to get all major factions to 5?

I know that you have to get corp standings to 5 to run level 4 missions, not sure about faction standings though.

DeMichael Crimson, creator of The Plan
Without skills applied (EVEboard shows base values), he currently has:
* Amarr = 7.0
* Caldari = 6.33
* Gallente = 6.98
* Minmatar = 7.08

You have to do more than just run normal missions to get them above 5 (Connections 5 would raise that to 6).

As for regular & storyline missions for every gain with a faction you also lose half of that to the opposing faction. Missions like the Blood-Stained Stars yield faction standing gain without any loss. You also have to avoid faction-kill missions.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4435245#post4435245

Example of declining all storyline and faction-kill missions: no player faction standing at all, but 9.63 with Caldari Navy.
Morikar
#8 - 2015-06-02 19:06:32 UTC
So it is possible to get all 4 empire faction standings up that high, good. Now I just have to get there!


Today I did the Exploration career agent, my standings after the 5 missions are now:

Amarr 1.70 (0.12)
Caldari 1.14 (-0.07)
Gallente 0.93 (-0.31)
Minmatar 0.86 (-0.39)

Changes:
Amarr +0.08
Caldari +0.16
Gallente -0.08
Minmatar -0.04

And I did the Advanced Military career agent, standings after that:

Amarr 1.77 (0.21)
Caldari 1.69 (0.11)
Gallente 0.85 (-0.39)
Minmatar 0.82 (-0.43)

Changes:
Amarr +0.09
Caldari +0.18
Gallente -0.08
Mimmatar -0.04

Total Standings Change So Far:
Amarr +0.26
Caldari +0.52
Gallente -0.25
Minmatar -0.11
Net: +0.42
Morikar
#9 - 2015-06-03 18:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Morikar
After Industry agent, I'm up to:

Amarr 1.85 (0.30)
Caldari 1.84 (0.29)
Gallente 0.78 (-0.48)
Minmatar 0.79 (-0.46)

Changes:
Amarr +0.09
Caldari +0.18
Gallente -0.09
Minmatar -0.03

After the Business agent, I'm up to:

Amarr 1.92 (0.38)
Caldari 1.99 (0.46)
Gallene 0.70 (-0.57)
Minmatar 0.76 (-0.49)

Changes:
Amarr +0.08
Caldari +0.17
Gallente -0.11
Minmatar -0.03

Total Standings Change So Far:
Amarr +0.43
Caldari +0.87
Gallente -0.45
Minmatar -0.17

That's a grand total of 0.68 faction standing change from doing all career agents at a single station.

So what I think I need to do is run some Gallente career agents now to get me in a better spot with them before running more Caldari. If I keep switching between Gallente and Caldari then Amarr and Minmatar should take care of themselves.

Also I need to run the SOE epic arc, but that is a really long mission to run.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#10 - 2015-06-03 21:50:46 UTC
My Industrial Char has

SOE - 7.43
Mordu - 5.38
Amarr - 4.96
Caldari - 4.88
Minmatar - 4.77
Gallente - 4.18

I originally set the goal of getting +5 in all the factions when it was required to anchor a POS in high sec. That's no longer a factor, but I decided to continue to pursue the goal.

I built the bulk of the standings by running L4 mining missions semi-AFK for the major corporations of each faction. I would also rerun the career agents every 3 months or so. Now I'm just running the SOE arc every 3 months to finish off the goal.

It'd be a severe grind to try to accomplish all at once, but not too bad if you spend some effort every now and then. It would have gone faster if I'd run the faction mission arcs but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

It's too bad that standings aren't worth more in the game these days. The sandbox is great, but CCP should realize that creating goals is another way to keep players.

Morikar
#11 - 2015-06-04 00:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Morikar
I have never tried mining missions even though I can fly T1 barges. How tough are the rats that appear on mining missions? And do you get decent standings from mining storyline missions?
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-06-04 11:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
follow "the plan" AttentionAttention



not real numbers but this is how storyline gains & loses work

do an Amarr Storyline
gain 1.0 Amarr standing
gain .05 Caldari Standing
lose 0.75 Minmatar standing
lose 0.25 Gallente standing

by cycling between the factions, there is over time a steady increase
but it's fairly slow, and tedious .. eve pve is always mostly tedious Lol

L1 SoE epic gives a gain to 1 faction, with no loses (repeat it every 3 months)
COSMOS agents can be done once per character with no derived losses to opposing factions

L4 epic arcs ..... dunno about these, I know they exist, but im a little hazy on the details Oops

L4 Epic arc corps
Gallente
Impetus

Amarr
Ministry of Internal Order

Minmatar
Brutor Tribe

Caldari
Expert Distribution
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2015-06-04 13:41:44 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
As for regular & storyline missions for every gain with a faction you also lose half of that to the opposing faction.

This is precisely why it is critical to rotate your agents based an their faction affiliation on a regular basis.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-06-04 14:25:04 UTC
Running Sisters of EVE storylines gives a big boost to Gallente with only a very small loss to the others.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#15 - 2015-06-04 16:51:58 UTC
Morikar wrote:
I have never tried mining missions even though I can fly T1 barges. How tough are the rats that appear on mining missions? And do you get decent standings from mining storyline missions?

Mining missions are good for industry oriented chars if you're trying to build corporate standings for refining or clones. I find them much less painful than distribution missions since they pay out about 5x the corporate standings increase per mission and you're not warping all over the place. Most missions stay in the local system. I think the storyline missions boost is about equivalent to combat storylines, but I forget the details.

Rats are easily handled with T1 drones.

There is a big difference with the mining missions based on the Level. Once you get to L4's you can use a Retriever for the hold size and will have to warp back to station once to drop off. There are also ice mining and gas mining missions which are some of the best isk/effort in the game. An L4 gas mission can be run in a Venture for a 5K LP payout + 2million isk reward in 1 warp and no attention required. Gevlon has written on the topic if you want a lot more info.

If you find a station that has multiple mining agents it's easy to decline missions which you find too slow to run.

An Orca in system can speed up the missions 30-40%.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#16 - 2015-06-04 16:58:46 UTC
Yossarian Toralen wrote:
Is it even possible to get all major factions to 5?

I know that you have to get corp standings to 5 to run level 4 missions, not sure about faction standings though.


Yes you can.
Thing is, gain for one faction gain eventually equals or is even less than the loss for another faction, even with social skills. At that point you have to rely on Epic arcs. They give a massive amount of faction standing (+12,5% iirc) without any losses but can only be done once every three months.
I guess Sisters of Eve might be helpful as well but it probably goes slow and not for all four Empire Factions....

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#17 - 2015-06-06 12:18:23 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
[quote=Yossarian Toralen]I guess Sisters of Eve might be helpful as well but it probably goes slow and not for all four Empire Factions....
SOE arc gives a 7% standings boost to the faction the players chooses at the end of the arc. This standing increase will be higher if you have trained Social, up to a maximum increase of 8.75%. (source: Eve-U)
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#18 - 2015-06-07 23:58:02 UTC
If you can avoid the career agents don't do them. They don't provide a large enough boost to faction standing for how long they take to complete. Get in contact with DMC and see what he thinks, that is assuming people are correct in crediting him with this. The plan does state to complete the career agents but if your goal is only 5.0 with each faction it might not be necessary.

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Doomheim
#19 - 2015-06-08 02:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Official Forum Business
As a short addendum to the (rightly) lauded "plan," of DMC, Bob bless his soul for the great work he has done, I will mention that it is quite possible to run a profitable business without fantastic standings and one should take care not to become embroiled in the chase for optimal standings unless that is an interest in and of itself. (I'll be the first to admit, I love the epic arcs and pretty numbers too. None of what follows should be misconstrued as an attack on the respectable career of enjoying NPC missions and their stories.)

One of my previous iterations existed solely as a trader from around 24 hours old until the time I sold him a few years later. He never earned a single point of standings in his life (or trained a spaceship command skill, but that's a story for another day) and still managed to amass several billion isk in profits. Building and trading with tighter margins is an absolute advantage, but take care in that line of work not to forget about the almighty comparative advantage and cyclical returns.

To end on a less metaphorical note: Time spent on standings is time not spent doing something else. Do what you enjoy and don't make the game about something you're not interested in because you perceive the reward to be absolutely necessary. EVE is a sandbox. When someone on the forums tell you that some such MUST be done to accomplish something, it usually takes five minutes of google searching to disprove that assumption.

Best of luck in your endeavors!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-06-21 05:45:56 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
If you can avoid the career agents don't do them. They don't provide a large enough boost to faction standing for how long they take to complete. Get in contact with DMC and see what he thinks, that is assuming people are correct in crediting him with this. The plan does state to complete the career agents but if your goal is only 5.0 with each faction it might not be necessary.


Yes, the people who credit me with creating 'The Plan' are indeed correct. To verify that, check out 'The Original Plan'.

As for the Career Agents, I highly encourage players to complete them. Even though the amount of their standing increase is rather small it still equates to a large standing change for player, especially if they have bad, low or neutral standings.



DMC
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