EVE General Discussion

I'm sorry but you seemed to have missed the point here, as usual.

I was in no way referring to my own experience in EVE.

I was instead pointing out the fallacy of saying that a multiplayer game implies players working together or that an MMO should force cooperation down a player's throat.

Battlefield 4, Planetside 2, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, DayZ, World of Tanks (and Warships), War Thunder, Star Conflict, Rift etc... are all multiplayer and massive multiplayer games in which playing solo or playing in a team/clan, although different as an experience, is equally fun.

And while team play in these games is often rewarded it is certainly not rammed down one's gullet.

Let me repeat myself, the only thing that the word multiplayer implies is that there are multiple players playing the game simultaneously. Nothing more.

As for EVE, I personally think it's a pretty decent game with a fair deal of potential. There are things about it that are fun, things that could be fun with a little bit of work, and things that are not that much fun and will likely get removed/revamped over time.

I have no problem with a PC game having varying degrees of fun depending on how the game is played. What I do have a problem with is a game that just has two degrees of enjoyment, one of which is "not that much fun" and the other being "sort of fun."

That's just a bad game no matter how many times the word "multiplayer" is thrown about.

Just to make things clear, I don't think EVE is such a game and I disagree with the OP's claim of "I iz solo player and I haz nothings to do..."

I am a solo player and I have plenty to do.

One thing that I do have to agree with is that gate travel in EVE utterly sucks balls and makes everything, including combat, quite two-dimensional.

W-space, for example, is a million times more fun than low/null sec simply because the ever shifting nature of wormholes prevents camping and simpleminded game play that limits the player's options..

Gate travel/camping is one of those things that's likely to get drastically altered in the future.

As for people in this thread who think they're opinion is worth more than mine because "I've been playing this game ever since I was wee lad..." please understand that you don't own EVE nor the exclusive rights to comment on it.

And not everyone who disagrees with you is a "theme park lover noob."

I've never even been to a theme park.

Also, please stop abusing the term "social sandbox". There is already a working "social sandbox" called planet Earth on which cooperation might be rewarded, but it is always that lone individual that makes the most significant discoveries and leaps forward.

Albert Einstein didn't have to join a corp to pen the theory of relativity, did he?

You're are the only one spouting nonsense here and you do so without fully reading or understanding what is being said...

I was debating the terminology used in this thread, not critiquing EVE as a whole.

Never once did I say that EVE is "unfun" for me (FYI unfun is not a real word)...

EVE is fun for me, I wouldn't be playing it if it wasn't.

Also, some player critiquing whatever specific feature or mechanic in EVE is not the same as that same person making an unfounded claim that game just plain sucks as a whole. You should really learn to distinguish between the two.

Me saying that I don't like how your car doesn't have cup holders is not the same as me saying that your whole car outright sucks, is it?

Honestly, I think you should have taken some English lessons prior to attending an English speaking Forum.

I know that you're sort of in love with EVE Online AKA your "deepest game ever...", and while I can certainly understand insatiable yearnings directed at a video game (I've had some myself), you should really tone down your rhetoric a bit and allow other players to express their opinions as well.

I would expect more from a South Park fan.

FYI, posting video links to emphasize your point is kind of like Faith Hilling...a bit two thousand and late.

I somewhat understand where you are coming from Deimos UK.

I have been on and off eve with breaks that lasted years. I tried most everything people are suggesting in this thread, join up a good corp, FW,make friends. While those ideas and suggestions are logical, I think the most important thing is to figure out what makes you happy when you play eve.

From the sound of it you like industry and building, creating 'stuff', naturally trying piracy and pvp is not going to make you happy.
Given the nature of eve you have to adapt and find a way to play the game your way where everybody else is trying to impose their way on to your play style.

Missions and industry exists in low sec, null sec and wormholes as well, instead of trying to get in to pvp so that you can expand your activity zone, maybe try focusing on the things you like to do in those regions. Of course you will have to pvp, but you can focus on a counter or evasive style pvp.

What worked work for me will not necessarily work for you, but the thinking behind it should apply to your situation as well.

How bout if everyone just stops telling everyone else how to play? Huh? Yes? No? Maybe? Probably no. I can dream.

One other point about n+1 that rarely gets discussed.

N+1 is inclusive. This isn't a 40 person raid were if one person does not have the right gear everyone fails. In eve, everyone can matter. Bringing noobs in frigates doesn't mean gimping the fleet.

+1

Most games and movies are, because that's what most people want. EVE is special because it doesn't do that, sure there is lore but the real game treats you like real life does. EVE says "you are not special unless you prove you are through your individual merits, you get nothing for free here". That's why I personally love it.

Op shouldn't listen to people who can not read. Looks like he says EVE is fun, and could be even more fun.

See, I knew you had problems grasping the ins and outs of the English language.

Note the first paragraph. In it I say that that EVE is a pretty good game with a fair deal of potential.

Second paragraph. I talk about a HYPOTETICAL PC game that just has two levels of fun/suckiness depending on whether the player is rolling solo or teaming up.

I say that such a game would be bad. Not once do I say that EVE is that kind of a game.

In my previous posts, I also point out to the OP that he is wrong about not having anything to do by his lonesome.

Please stop reading into my posts and seeing things that aren't there.

So as everyone can now (hopefully) grasp, I was merely debating the argument that some players have thrown about, namely that it is OK for a game to be uninteresting for anyone that wants to experience it by himself.

It isn't. Such a game would not be appreciated.

And, thankfully EVE is not such a game.

And here's another thing that EVE's not: Perfect.

EVE is not perfect, despite of what some "veterans" may think.

Attacking players who are just commenting about things that they don't like about some of EVE's individual mechanics is bad, mkay?

Your opinion is not worth more just because you happened to discover this game a bit before everyone else, mkay?

People in this community are clearly all reasonably intelligent people, and different tastes/gaming experiences will undoubtedly spark different opinions. It would be much better to meet those opinions with an open mind than to dismiss them out of hand because "F U noob."

I remember that someone here had mentioned that full cup of prejudice thing.

Also, linking a mental disorder bulletin url in your post makes you one sad individual. We get it. Everyone that disagrees with you is clearly mentally ill. Nice one.

You shouldn't make gate camps a thing of the past at all. Every player can learn how to escape a gate camp or should bring enough friends to break it.

I honestly don't see what gate camps bring to the game rather than make it needlessly two-dimensional.

And they seem to be especially counter productive in FW, where players outta be fighting over strategic areas, and then capturing those areas.

Instead what you get is small gangs of gate campers that are just out to farm kills.

But if most players think that current gate travel is picture perfect than that's fine with me. I'm more of a wormhole space kind of guy anyway. That's where all the fun is at.