Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@ccp, was it your goal to make frigate/dessie pvp unbearable or what is the reason this is in the game in its current form?


If i fly a garmur (or insert random kiting ship) and i stumble upon a t1 fit cruiser in a belt that fighting a clone soldier, do you know what happens if i try to kill the clone soldier? It swaps instantly and applies absurd dps to the ship that has come to help it, making any sort of kill impossible for a smaller then cruiser hull.


If a ishtar or tengu is doing a besieged site and i go to tackle it in any ship, the rats swap instantly to blow the ship coming to help them up.

If you try to tackle a bs or carrier doing a lvl5, guess what blows up the tackle ceptor instantly? The rats.


Hell, in certain plex in lowsec you can even have the rats pvp for you (Hashi Keptzh).

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Kills like that https://zkillboard.com/kill/46614236/ should never ever happen in that form, i chased him out of a site, then i did the site myself cause i was bored. He came back to kill me in his curse, the rats ate him up in seconds.



Rats aggro changes mean the people that actually come to shoot the rats enemies (the pveers) will be swaped to instantly. This is a ******** mechanic and needs to go. It is especially stupid for frig or dessie pilots.

So never shoot pvers again? And piracy in this game can go to hell or what?

Shoot PVE-ers all you want but doing it inside a site you arent tanked to handle seems like a sub optimal place to do it is all i am saying

It's more of a ****** thing that ratting in guristas complexes is about the safest activity in eve on par with staying docked. It's mildly numbing that you warp to a Nexor/Ishtar/Rattle in a site in a ceptor and get jammed by NPCs cause you're totally a high priority target for them... *Got point... sec, got jammed :(*

These curent mechanics do little but promote teaming up on someone as opposed to allowing you to engage pvers on your own as it used to be before theme park AI got introduced and your pve-content started protecting you.

Thats stupid though, the pveer is trying to kill the rats, the priate is trying to safe them.


Also, i know why they changed it (it was due to people using a tanky ship first and using a max gank ship with 0 tank second) but its a bad change.

If your going into a site for tackle there are 2 golden rules you must never forget

1. Ewar draws rat aggro very heavily, it always has, which means if you warp in you better be set up to tank the target and the mission/site long enough for support to land or for you to kill them. Ive lost a few ships simply because i couldnt tank the mission, though other times we got the kills like the harbinger navy and startios duo running a L4 in low sec.

This has been this way for years, its working as intended and gives the aggressor something else to account for, you already have more than a few things working in your favor this is just a potential balance factor for the defender instead and it may or may not even work for them.


2. In PVE ships that warp in second sometimes get primaried by the rats as supposed support for the first ship, once again another thing to account for for all the above reasons.

If your having issues doing this, scare someone out of a site and then wait on the ingate to the site and catch them there, wait till they kill the room ( check wrecks on D-scan compared to number of rats spawned via Eve-Survival ).

Piracy can have many layers to it, some tools that you may want to use may not even seem like they need to be used, but the smarter you go about it the more succesfull you will be.

Of course it favoured the pvp agressor, its the point of the whole thing and it only is logical. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and so on.



Most pvp ships easily deal with pve situations (the best pve ship is basicely the 100mn ham pvp tengu for lowsec) but its just gives the stick to frigate and dessie pilots.



It makes no sense that the content you are doing is actually protecting you from outside interference. it should be the other way around, content you are doing is making you an easier prey then usual. It always was that way, and i think ccp forgot about that part when they changed them for numerous reasons, amongst them the ones you listed.




Any serious pvper can tell you that it was a bad change.

No, the enemy of my enemy is often my enemy as well. This is exceptionally true for pirate groups that live outside the law. If I were a pirate, and I am at times, I would see some random guy coming in and shooting someone attacking me not as a saivor, but as another target for me to kill and loot. Oh, and look, you were even nice enough to bring a ship that's easy for me to kill.

Now, maybe if you had done some missions for said NPC pirate group, and had high standing with them, I could see them not shooting in favor of the other guy. If you're just some guy that came in, you're just another target, and with the power that ewar carries, you're the bigger threat.

Except it didn't make things even, it made things completely in the pve players favour. The Pve Player only needs to tank the rats or the player. The pvp player needs to tank the rats and the player. The pve player also only needs the rats ewar to hit once to get away, and will have any rat webs/neuts helping them as well. The PvP player already needs to fly a ship able to penetrate hostile space (i.e. fast and therefore light) and use fitting space for a point, while the pve player only needs to tank long enough for the cavalry to arrive. So to have any chance of success the pvper needs to fit lots of damage, lots of mobility and a point, but now they also need to fit lots of tank and counter ewar for the stockholm syndrome rats.

To be fair the rat aggro would be random, or more obviously the rats would take the opportunity to gtfo (in belts at least).

Personally I think some standing related mechanic on the part of the rats would be very cool, have good standing to the rats in question and they wont attack you over the ratter who will likely have terrible standing.

And who else is there to fight exactly? The only time any 0.0 kiddies fly in groups of less than 10 is when they rat.

No its not.




The serious PvP'ers adapted. Those looking for easy kills whined.