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Apparently it is OK to reuse skins of unique ships

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Valkin Mordirc
#81 - 2015-06-05 10:04:18 UTC
The Stratios ER gets a 125 m/b Bandwidth.


I would assume the SKIN version does not.


So you Ship is still special? Unless of course they took your Strat ER away and gave a normal one. That would make me a little miffed.
#DeleteTheWeak
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2015-06-05 10:40:43 UTC
Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.

I have seen the skin for sale for 25 Billion ISK, so I don't imagine many being sold. But the whole idea is crap. If eventually, I can buy a Raven State Issue Skin for say 100 Billion ISK, how many State Issue Ravens will we see? It was a real stupid idea to take away the Unique Ships...
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#83 - 2015-06-05 10:52:57 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
If the special ships never undock, does it matter? The hull's still rare.


They do undock.
Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#84 - 2015-06-05 11:21:23 UTC
Entity wrote:
I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store.

Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.


Well, well, well..

Initially, I have to say that I am very sorry for you mate. I will tell where is the root of this dishonourable action:

“GREED IS GOOD”

That it, as I personally say before countless time, the “greed is good” mentality DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS OR THE GAME. It only care about the money.

It start with this “meaningless” change, the ones that hit only at a few people, but it is spreading and infecting the game faster. The last symptom was the tempted of remove the bypass broken launcher. Now this release of already unique skin is another.

If we, the players, do not fight against that people the game will be sentenced to a slowing die. And do not fool yourself, the greed is good folks are in important position inside the Company (director level and above).

Again, I am very sorry mate. You have my sympathy and I understand your frustration. I hope that CCP do the right thing and do not release this skin. However, I must say, I have very low expectative about they doing the right thing.

The “greed is good” force are strong. Unfortunately.

Best post ever!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#85 - 2015-06-05 11:27:07 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.

If you activate the SKIN and then use it, the ship is only skinned while you are in it. If you leave the ship, it goes back to a normal Scorpion.

Activating the SKIN would actually make it more rare in terms of availability for sale, since you can never deactivate it again, so that would effectively be the same as destroying it as far as the rest of the player base is concerned.

The uniqueness doesn't change by activating the SKIN token.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2015-06-05 12:19:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
All those tears... Just v0v ccp gonna release new ships skins soon...

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2015-06-05 12:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
BrundleMeth wrote:
Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.

I have seen the skin for sale for 25 Billion ISK, so I don't imagine many being sold. But the whole idea is crap. If eventually, I can buy a Raven State Issue Skin for say 100 Billion ISK, how many State Issue Ravens will we see? It was a real stupid idea to take away the Unique Ships...


The skins themselves are still "unique", in that they can only ever be applied by the person who activates the skin on their account.

However I do agree, I had assumed that unique ships of this type would remain as special single existence ships in game. If they release this skin and at the same time take the Stratios Emergency Responder away from Entity THEN I agree with him 100%, that is major bullshit.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#88 - 2015-06-05 12:30:30 UTC
This is CCP we are talking about, the skins are just a way to keep the Art department busy. Its probably a mistake for this design. Entity should file a bug petition or a mentally stuck petition Lol

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Domania
Must Be EOL Cuz Wormholes Dont Jiggle Like This
#89 - 2015-06-05 14:27:36 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.

I have seen the skin for sale for 25 Billion ISK, so I don't imagine many being sold. But the whole idea is crap. If eventually, I can buy a Raven State Issue Skin for say 100 Billion ISK, how many State Issue Ravens will we see? It was a real stupid idea to take away the Unique Ships...


Depends on how you look at it. The amount of skins are dependent on the amount of hulls that were in game. Therefore your skin is still a rare and unique item.
You should be happy too, the hull was no different than normal Scorpions, but now when people buy that skin and consume it, there is one less skin available on market. $$$$$
Tykonderoga
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2015-06-05 15:24:35 UTC
Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:
I have been told entity is the richest guy in eve online with two digit multiples of trillions. ccp, plz, if you make a change on behalf of a single multiple trillion heavy individuum who sheds some tears about some pixels, then I start writing my personal list of changes you should make on my behalf. thank you



Just fyi Entity worked as a dev for CCP and the basis of his wealth is built upon insider knowledge he had of changes in the game before he left the company. Thus, his wealth is ill-gotten.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2015-06-05 15:51:31 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:
Just fyi Entity worked as a dev for CCP and the basis of his wealth is built upon insider knowledge he had of changes in the game before he left the company. Thus, his wealth is ill-gotten.


[citation needed]
Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#92 - 2015-06-05 16:10:08 UTC
The whole SKIN thing is bullshit anyway. They were working on the tech to allow us to customize the ships but this was a way that they could monetize it.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2015-06-05 17:39:03 UTC
Jax Kazen wrote:
The whole SKIN thing is bullshit anyway. They were working on the tech to allow us to customize the ships but this was a way that they could monetize it.


If you thought at any point they were going to allow us to customize our ships for free you are delusional.
Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#94 - 2015-06-05 17:54:10 UTC
Entity wrote:
"..We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins"

Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot.


I see your ouinouin and raise you an IMG link of my own!

Some sage advice for CCP while we're all here - http://www.parents.com/toddlers-preschoolers/development/behavioral/stop-childs-whining/

I would hope the devs we all love so much care more about the hundreds of people who can't wait for this new skin to come out and will have hours of fun with it. You know, actually undocking, pewpewing with them, showing them off to their friends. Maybe you'd be happier if you joined us all on the joyous day we can all use that sexy as f**k ship.

Seriously though, everyone in the game knows who you are and should be impressed by your collection. Isn't that enough?
Terminus Antollare
Un4seen Development
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2015-06-05 19:02:50 UTC
So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2015-06-05 19:24:10 UTC
Terminus Antollare wrote:
So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.


It constantly boggles my mind the entitlement of some people. In saying that I am not averse to things being available in packs for cheap :D
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2015-06-05 19:26:23 UTC
Terminus Antollare wrote:
So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.


GRRRRRRR Capitalism.
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#98 - 2015-06-05 20:16:23 UTC
Entity wrote:
Reusing unique ship skins is just cheap and disrespectful.


Claiming an artist's time and effort is cheap is also disrespectful. You own ships no one else owns. Artists worked to update ship skins ONLY YOU will ever see.

Can I see the clause in the special EULA CCP offered you, that guaranteed your unique ships would always be special flowers forever?
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#99 - 2015-06-05 20:20:43 UTC
By the way, I absolutely LOVE the NOPUX Luxury Yacht we all recently received. Blink
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2015-06-05 20:42:36 UTC
Entity wrote:
Hipqo wrote:
Read this.


And this is relevant how?


Because with player made ship customization, which is the goal of CCP means that "unique" paint job won't be so unique after someone else can see it and wants to copy it.