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Lugh Crow-Slave
#61 - 2015-06-04 23:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
That was explained earlier one of the only way to know there is a new blops fleets in your area b is to see them this becomes much harder if they never show on d-scan


And this doesn't even touch on what it would do in j-space

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Azarah Aubaris
The Irukandji
#62 - 2015-06-05 02:05:29 UTC
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i disagree, BLOPS are used quite a lot and are a very popular doctrine i can name several groups in game that regularly use them. they are definitely more than a space taxi (titans are the space taxis of eve imo) Giving BLOPS the ability to not appear on Dscan is redundant. BLOPS ships are not roaming ships. You dont really see them out roaming gate to gate or camping gates and such. They are the ships that you sit in station,sit on the undock or sit in a pos waiting to jump directly into a pvp scenario thru a cyno. In addition to that BLOPS do have a cloak bonus and i have never seen a BLOPS w/o a cloak fitted. Cloaks make them disappear from Dscan, as well as grid.

BLOPS are perfectly fine with their role in eve as of now in my opinion. I feel that some BLOPS ships need to be buffed a bit since they are seldom seen (Sin + Widow).

the Dscan nullification for combat recons was a cool idea and has gave combat recons a better role in eve, and such you have been seeing more of them flown recently. but adding this to BLOPS is not needed as BLOPS are already popular ships.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#63 - 2015-06-05 02:35:39 UTC
Making them d-scan immune will just make them the only ship to run 0.0 plexes in. yeah, ppl actually use them for that multiboxing.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#64 - 2015-06-05 02:40:17 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Making them d-scan immune will just make them the only ship to run 0.0 plexes in. yeah, ppl actually use them for that multiboxing.


I really dont see that becoming such an issue given the cost and lack of tank to DPS, unless theyre using a spider tank setup which would make sense. But any scout worth their salt would realize more wrecks on a 5 degree scan appearing over time, signaling that something is in that plex and its either a combat recon ( unlikely in any difficult plex ) or a multi-billion isk piniata.

Plus this would open doors to hunting black ops in PLEX's with Black ops or combat recons that can actually sneak up on them.

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#65 - 2015-06-05 02:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriana Nolen
Christopher Mabata wrote:


I really dont see that becoming such an issue given the cost and lack of tank to DPS, unless theyre using a spider tank setup which would make sense. But any scout worth their salt would realize more wrecks on a 5 degree scan appearing over time, signaling that something is in that plex and its either a combat recon ( unlikely in any difficult plex ) or a multi-billion isk piniata.

Plus this would open doors to hunting black ops in PLEX's with Black ops or combat recons that can actually sneak up on them.


Before the deadspace prices crashed through the floor, I saw a few people running plexes with 2-3 black ops.
Faction fit RR sin tanks 1100 omni damage [if fit for guristas, its 1800 tank] & deals out 750 dps. 2 or 3 of those will speed clear a plex.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#66 - 2015-06-05 02:55:02 UTC
Azarah Aubaris wrote:

BLOPS are perfectly fine with their role in eve as of now in my opinion. I feel that some BLOPS ships need to be buffed a bit since they are seldom seen (Sin + Widow).



widow is one of the most common blops ships even outside of blops fleets and it even got a recent buff and it now has the highest burst DPS of any blops


the sin is rarely used not because it is a poor ship but because a lot of pilots don't know how to fly them

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#67 - 2015-06-05 06:05:00 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
the sin is rarely used not because it is a poor ship but because a lot of pilots don't know how to fly them

And those who do, can wreck a lot of things. *waves at Masl and Gulnar*

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Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-06-05 08:36:48 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Azarah Aubaris wrote:

BLOPS are perfectly fine with their role in eve as of now in my opinion. I feel that some BLOPS ships need to be buffed a bit since they are seldom seen (Sin + Widow).



widow is one of the most common blops ships even outside of blops fleets and it even got a recent buff and it now has the highest burst DPS of any blops


the sin is rarely used not because it is a poor ship but because a lot of pilots don't know how to fly them


never seen a widow in a doctrine tbh, good looking ship though but seems redeemers, panthers and remote rep sins are more of a thing

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#69 - 2015-06-05 13:23:22 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


never seen a widow in a doctrine tbh, good looking ship though but seems redeemers, panthers and remote rep sins are more of a thing



you been flying since rhml came out?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2015-06-05 13:25:58 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


never seen a widow in a doctrine tbh, good looking ship though but seems redeemers, panthers and remote rep sins are more of a thing



you been flying since rhml came out?


yeah been flying blops for a while (over a year i think) only ever seen 1 widow in a fleet

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#71 - 2015-06-05 13:36:23 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


yeah been flying blops for a while (over a year i think) only ever seen 1 widow in a fleet



tbh they are probably more like a sin just my group uses them a lot. torps will wreck everything BC and larger then RHML will melt cruisers and below. then if things get messy an ecm burst will break most tackle up to 31km out.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#72 - 2015-06-06 04:15:28 UTC
For whatever reason, every time I've gone on a Black Ops fleet, we've had no shortage of Widows.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.