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Level 4 Agent Quality

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Baling Haojian
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-06-01 20:19:51 UTC
According to http://eve-agents.com/ all Caldari Level 4 Security Agents are L4 Q20.

Does this mean that they all pay the same and grant the same missions?

Thanks,
Baling
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-06-01 20:27:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Agent quality was removed.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#3 - 2015-06-01 20:35:30 UTC
Back in the day, agents use to use a mechanic called agent quality, wherein agents of increasing quality had both an ever increasing worth for payouts (mission reward and bonus) as well as an ever increasing standings requirement. When CCP removed agent quality, they basically set every agent to an effective quality of 20 (the highest possible) for the payouts and to effective quality of -20 (the lowest possible) for standings requirements, thus eliminating agent quality from the equation.

What agents are willing to offer in terms of payouts are no better or worse regardless as to the agent you talk to. What they offer in terms of what missions they hand out is not nor ever was affected by agent quality, that's handled by a different system; when you talk to an agent, they have a pre-selected pool of missions they pick from which is further refined by preferring to offer missions you have accepted and completed out of that pool the most.

tl;dr...

In short, agent quality is an obsolete mechanic that, while still technically exist, has no true influence on agents. Pick your agents for other reasons, like the relative safety of the location, ease of access and proximity to adjacent agents, system sec level (lower is better, but is often less secure or more likely to be a gank risk), etc.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-06-01 20:38:41 UTC
payouts and LP reward depend on security status of the agent's system

as for mission pool, that seems to depend on agent faction and region, there may be another factor, but most missions are so much the same I cba to look for it.

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Baling Haojian
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-06-02 11:20:25 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
system sec level (lower is better, but is often less secure or more likely to be a gank risk), etc.

By, "better" do you mean that they pay more?

Thanks for all your answers so far!
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#6 - 2015-06-02 11:47:52 UTC
Baling Haojian wrote:

By, "better" do you mean that they pay more?

Thanks for all your answers so far!


I'm actually not sure I remember correctly if system sec affects the mission payout and bonus or lp payout specifically, but yes; "better" in this instance refers to the rewards from the agent are greater the lower the system sec level is.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#7 - 2015-06-02 14:13:36 UTC
The lower the security status of a system the higher the rewards, time completion bonuses and LP payout will be.
As Chainsaw noted above these payouts are based on the system the agent is located in, not on the system the mission is run in.
If you want to max all of these then only run missions for agents located in a .5 system.
Baling Haojian
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-06-03 19:49:06 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
The lower the security status of a system the higher the rewards, time completion bonuses and LP payout will be.
As Chainsaw noted above these payouts are based on the system the agent is located in, not on the system the mission is run in.
If you want to max all of these then only run missions for agents located in a .5 system.

Spacelane Patrol used to pay the most but I guess that is no longer the case.

Do agents pay more the more you run missions for them?

I was told that it's better to stick with one level 4 agent (once I get there) and keep running missions for him.

If this is the case, when does it top out? I've seen people make more $ for the exact same mission from the same agent.

Thanks again for taking the time to read this and respond. It seems like they keep changing things as I have read 100+ posts concerning this issue and they seem to conflict a lot.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2015-06-04 05:08:34 UTC
Baling Haojian wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
The lower the security status of a system the higher the rewards, time completion bonuses and LP payout will be.
As Chainsaw noted above these payouts are based on the system the agent is located in, not on the system the mission is run in.
If you want to max all of these then only run missions for agents located in a .5 system.

Spacelane Patrol used to pay the most but I guess that is no longer the case.

Do agents pay more the more you run missions for them?

I was told that it's better to stick with one level 4 agent (once I get there) and keep running missions for him.

If this is the case, when does it top out? I've seen people make more $ for the exact same mission from the same agent.

Thanks again for taking the time to read this and respond. It seems like they keep changing things as I have read 100+ posts concerning this issue and they seem to conflict a lot.


most of the navy like corps have bad LP stores as the FW lp stores have all the same items, and FW generates a ton of LP so they are willing to take a lower conversion rate at times. my go to 1000 isk/lp+ items are all gone (amazed me how long that lasted with all the bots/farmers generating LP, but FW managed to kill that). I have over a million LP with corporate police force that I've been sitting on for a long time now. If I needed the isk I'd probably find something to do with it, but I'm lazy and don't really mind leaving it in my journal.

basically you are looking for a good LP conversion in the lowest security you are willing to take. for most people this means sisters of eve missions in Lanngisi (true sec is ever so slightly lower so it pays more) or Apanake.

the only things that change payout that I know of are the appropriate connections skill (security connections for security agents) which increases LP payout and the Negotiation Skill which increases the isk payout.

as far as sticking with one agent, I tend to do that just because it is annoying to move everything to a new location.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Baling Haojian
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-06-04 11:18:45 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Baling Haojian wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
The lower the security status of a system the higher the rewards, time completion bonuses and LP payout will be.
As Chainsaw noted above these payouts are based on the system the agent is located in, not on the system the mission is run in.
If you want to max all of these then only run missions for agents located in a .5 system.

Spacelane Patrol used to pay the most but I guess that is no longer the case.

Do agents pay more the more you run missions for them?

I was told that it's better to stick with one level 4 agent (once I get there) and keep running missions for him.

If this is the case, when does it top out? I've seen people make more $ for the exact same mission from the same agent.

Thanks again for taking the time to read this and respond. It seems like they keep changing things as I have read 100+ posts concerning this issue and they seem to conflict a lot.


most of the navy like corps have bad LP stores as the FW lp stores have all the same items, and FW generates a ton of LP so they are willing to take a lower conversion rate at times. my go to 1000 isk/lp+ items are all gone (amazed me how long that lasted with all the bots/farmers generating LP, but FW managed to kill that). I have over a million LP with corporate police force that I've been sitting on for a long time now. If I needed the isk I'd probably find something to do with it, but I'm lazy and don't really mind leaving it in my journal.

basically you are looking for a good LP conversion in the lowest security you are willing to take. for most people this means sisters of eve missions in Lanngisi (true sec is ever so slightly lower so it pays more) or Apanake.

the only things that change payout that I know of are the appropriate connections skill (security connections for security agents) which increases LP payout and the Negotiation Skill which increases the isk payout.

as far as sticking with one agent, I tend to do that just because it is annoying to move everything to a new location.

Thank you sir, you've been very helpful.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2015-06-04 15:03:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Lower security systems pay out better and have a higher probability of offering the highest paying missions.

Which missions are offered depends on the agent type. Security agents will offer predominantly combat missions. Mining agents offer mining missions. etc.

Your personal standings with a particular agent still affect the payout iirc. But I could be wrong. Last time I ran missions was for standings rather than payouts.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-06-05 04:25:21 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

basically you are looking for a good LP conversion in the lowest security you are willing to take. for most people this means sisters of eve missions in Lanngisi (true sec is ever so slightly lower so it pays more) or Apanake.



Lanngisi is popular for a few reasons:

- it is a 0.5 system but its truesec is more like 4.5 so it pays very good LP
- SOE LP/ISK ratio is reliably around 2.0, you can get higher running ISK/LP for other corps with stuff like mining implants but not consistently (often one or two extra people selling will crash the market) whereas with SOE you can just front up, collect your LP sell the SOE probe launchers
- Lanngisi is part of an island complex of system hanging off Hek with no nearby losec. You never get sent to losec even though it is a 0.5 system
- If you want to cash in your LP fast Hek is only 2 jumps. Sure you get better prices for your stuff a Amarr or Jita but Hek is handy
- there is a nearby Amarr corp with a level IV agent for balancing standings
- because so many people mission from Lanngisi in blinged out faction fitted mission runners you are relatively safe from gankers in a T2 fit ship
- the missions at Lanngisi are more often than not Angels which are relatively easy for most people to run

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2015-06-05 04:52:59 UTC
also SoE has a number of decent ways to convert LP so the market is rather stable. 2 probe launchers, 2 probes, 2 ships, 6 virtue implants.

the empire faction LP stores have a lot of competition with FW lp stores. On some items (mostly ships) FW gets a better price so you can't compete. and there are a few 5 run BPCs that convert well, but incursion runners can convert their LP and buy those items. LP values feel pretty capped. It's not as fun as it used to be when you could do the math and find 3-5k isk/lp conversions.

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-06-05 06:06:51 UTC
I'd be ratting in a maller if it weren't for SOE missions.
Baling Haojian
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-06-14 13:15:41 UTC
Thank you all so much for all of your input. It has been very helpful.
Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#16 - 2015-06-16 13:31:56 UTC
Are average completion times and other such factors for mission rewards calculated as per agent, corp or faction? I have got less than 4000 lps for Recon 1 while doing it for Angel Cartel in Curse while I have usually got something like 10 000 lps.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#17 - 2015-06-18 19:02:28 UTC
Baling Haojian wrote:
According to http://eve-agents.com/ all Caldari Level 4 Security Agents are L4 Q20.

Does this mean that they all pay the same and grant the same missions?

Thanks,
Baling



It is often unsaid, but the missions offered by an agent is determined by many documented and undocumented factors of which I have never been associated with agent quality.

First of these is the standings the faction of the agent of the agent toward other factions. That is to say the agent is more likely to offer missions against the faction most hated by his or her own faction. for example,Thukker hate Amatar and give missions against them fairly often.

Another factor is the region where the agent is located. A caldari agent located in gallente space will give more "kill serpintis" missions then one located in the forge. As a one off, agents in black rise give a **** ton of "kill blood raiders" missions but i have no clue why.

HTH

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2015-06-18 19:58:12 UTC
Julius Cabeki wrote:
Are average completion times and other such factors for mission rewards calculated as per agent, corp or faction? I have got less than 4000 lps for Recon 1 while doing it for Angel Cartel in Curse while I have usually got something like 10 000 lps.


as far as I can tell what version of recon gets offered depends on what region you are in. Agent Faction might make a difference, but I haven't been able to tell that yet. Also the payouts seem to be tied to which version it is. Last I looked the blood raider version was at max LP, where the gurista version had a low payout. I have no idea why different versions would have such different payouts. I'd love to take a look at CCP's algorithm for determining mission payouts, as the variation in completion times between missions is seemingly so small, yet the payout differences are so large. (maybe I'd rather look at mission completion data rather than the reward algorithm?) Back when loot/salvage was valuable and it seemed worth it to farm missions for a week it made a lot of sense for some missions to pay out max LP/Reward, or some missions get declined so much.

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