EVE General Discussion

That isn't relevant because having the minimum length for a war dec shorter is of no advantage to the person getting war decced, it doesn't end after 2 days if it is not over.

Wardecs are expensive if your target is a bunch of thrashers ganking with meta 1 guns, how many do you need to kill before it remotely matches your expense ?

I imagine most war decs are declared by someone who thinks they can win.

Suicide ganks in high sec:
Every ship on a suicide gank mail is a loss, that includes the aggressor's ships.
Not all attempted ganks even result in a freighter being destroyed.
Not all ganks that result in a freighter being destroyed are profitable.
Killrights can help to extend the aggressor's pain and skew the math in favor of the "defender".
Security standing loss does take its toll, also. Sometimes, gankers don't make it to their own party.

But, yeah, other than that, it's pretty much the same as war dec'ing hapless scrubs and carebears.

I didn't say we should ban wardecs, neither did I pick an unreasonable measure of stats. It's just a fact that people go after easy targets when declaring war. It's not their fault, the system doesn't reward you for picking a challenge, so the weaker the target the better. Well done on wildly missing the point though.

Please by all means proceed to believe that the wardec system is fine as is. We already know CCP don't believe it is, so it's going to change. The real question is, when it does will you be too busy closing your eyes sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "lalala" to offer realistic suggestions to how to balance it out?

And I'm lost when it comes to this wardec think. I mean I kinda get it, as up until about 11 months ago I was in a position where they seemed scary as I was pretty vulnerable back then to it. One man corp, no backup, assets in space... all that jive.
Of course I also wasn't really worth dropping the dec fee unless someone really wanted to bash my POS. (Or was REALLY annoyed with me)

Then I was recruited into an alliance that does wars. Kind of a radical change and I'll be honest, the first couple months were intimidating. After a while I started to relax a bit, once I realized that there was no boogeyman under my bunk. I did my thing as merrily as I could while trying to learn stuff and was mostly uninterrupted. I did get blapped a few times while suspect baiting, but that was either by my intended target or others who were engaged in similar activities and managed to pick the same target as I did.

Not once did scary warmongers come in and maul me, because I stayed vigilant during the time I was learning. I kept my eyes sharp and GTFO whenever things looked hot. Now, after nearly a year of almost constant war (we sometimes take short breaks) I'm pretty used to it and am learning to become an active participant. I'm still terribad at hunting, but I'm trying.

My point, if you could call it that, is that war isn't the end of the world. You can do stuff while wardecced, you just have to keep a sharp eye on your surroundings and exercise reasonable levels of paranoia. Heck, the war-ponents are clearly marked for you in local, which is more than you can say about some gankers. Unreasonable levels of paranoia prevent you from doing things, cause you to freeze up and hide under your bunk. Fear is what ruins the game for you at that point.
*shrug*

hiya lucas hope ya well. yup it's a pig alright, i'm not trying to dress it up at all, us vets can boast about our alts that have great market muscle and how easy us vets find it is to make isk. i never said anything to dismiss that. but it's not the norm lucas, we wouldn't be making isk from them alts if everyone was doing it.
yes i was talking about another player shooting you in the face, not everyone is smart enough to know how to deal with war decs or know how to corner a market. sure you could buy plex and never undock. lol i remember a guy in low sec that never undocked, when someone entered the system he was in he'd type in local,, 10m and i leave you alone, the amount of players that paid was laughable,, he never undocked lol, so yea i get the whole make isk easy without risk but not everyone wants to play that way, we all know people who love the risk. but not everyone, that's my whole point, people play as they want and so they should.
i was never a fan of the war dec system for many reasons but it's needed and i'm not sure there is a better way to do it.
can't get the image of a pig dressed up now lmao,, but so true man and i wasn't trying to dress it up. i honestly believe it's needed but have no idea how to make it better than it is, it's an important part of EVE.

I would say player corps are not the right structure for nomadic and casual players without interest in managing structures ... that's why the "clubs" are needed. Even if you try creating a corp full of casuals, there will sooner than later be conflicts around the shared assets and the roles/competencies. Corps are dictatorships like the corps in RL, if they don't follow a common goal, they will die.

Removed an off topic post.

I frequently got the impression that wardecs are a whole lot more personal for the decced party. Some poor guy was contacting me over boogieman stories he's been told by his directors, and left flabbergasted when it was actually just someone paying for this one undock to be camped.

They quit because like many who play MMOs these days they feel the must be spoon fed content.