EVE General Discussion

.. and nothing of lie was told. Yes, you WILL die in 0.0. Yes, it is just matter of time.

What response do you think he was trying to get? I happen to agree with what he said, not because it got a response, but because it seems to be true.

This will be something to watch for a couple of months. Will it allow easier access to sov null, or will it get harder? NPC Null seems to be low sec with bubbles, and I don't anticipate that changing.

Le Moineau - this was a good point to bring up. There are dangers, they do get blown past reality in the telling, but there are some that thrive on that tale-telling.

Look, the only thing I'm trying to do is shed some light on the subject.

I used to be one of those people who didn't want to explore null/low sec. I stayed in high sec doing the same things over and over again. Personally I hate to think that people are leaving because of bad information.

I'm going to be honest and say that I don't have a solution that everyone will like. But as a whole we as a community need to step up and show others that there is insane fun to be had out there. It would benefit everyone in the long run. It doesn't take much brain power to figure out that the more people that stay and play means more cool crap for us and more crap to blow up.

Null and Low Sec will become less and less lethal more time you spend in it. Fact.

Null is one of the safest places in EVE if you join the party. Ive seen more skill in 10 jumps of FW space than entire regions of null. Its not scary at all. If you arent with a major, its actually quite boring pvp wise. Ecen then, bubble up with a FC, align, anchor, hit F1 and win or die before moving best speed home to gawk at a killboard or contract a JF for more gear.

Dont fear null. Unless you are roaming solo and not roaming through Provi

To any newbs out there, never believe any of this c**p. Null is not one of the safest places, or even close. That said there's only 4 classifications of space 'anyway' really - lo, hi, Null & WH. Three are pretty much equally dangerous and one is not.

Null
If "safety" means being limited to several systems where 'usually' you can undock freely; and if you wander out side of those systems you either do it in a combat proof ship (cue inty) or with a scout and/or fleet around you ... then, yes ... Null is safe.

Like he says, if you join the crowd, Null is perfectly 'safe enough' to live in and have a great deal of fun. but you do have to abide by the rules of operation (simple enough) and you can't just hunker into your Paladin, head off on your own and expect to still have it ten jumps later. Do go out there - just don't be fooled and be aware.

Hi
However, to most normal people, 'safey' means: I can undock whenever I want with no precautions, on my own, anytime of day or night. And wander in this 'whole' class of space (ie Hi-Sec) wherever I want, and again 'whenever' I want ... and usually in whatever I want without an imminent fear of death on the other side of every gate? ... then Null sec has never, nor will ever, match that common definition of safety. And don't be fooled by anyone that says otherwise.

Caveat
Clearly, Hi sec is not death proof, and you can be ganked, and so forth. but if you don't auto pilot ... and then do exactly the same things in Hi as you would null (and to a lesser degree lo) then Hi is VASTLY safer. (TBH even if you autopilot sensibly even that isn't an issue - whereas 'any' form of autopilot in Null or Lo is justly also named 'pop-express')

And yes, with safer comes more boring (to some), or more stability (to others) depending on your point of view.

(Clearly ... war decs aside ... )

The single biggest factor in null offering a measure of safety high sec does not is the inability of neutrals to "hide" in local. In high sec with 50-100 people in local, you've no idea if any are out to gank you or not until it is too late (or they have prior form).

Thus in a single isolated system I feel safer in null in a blingmobile compared to highsec - you KNOW when to hide - however when you start needing to travel it gets a little more ticklish....

Thing about highsec is one need not put so much effort into remaining safe thus has a lower effort bar for a good enough level of safety. Your odds of death travelling are significantly lower and the need for a scout is almost nil, that's the big difference for me.

tl;dr: It's the travel risk that differentiates the securities, really.

Sorry, but it's not travel risk. A wormhole popping up in high sec still doesn't mean anything, that same hole popping up in null spewing ceptors shotgunning at every belt and anomaly in system (with a warp speed rigged interdictor to warp to and bubble the station, if the system has one) is a whole 'nother thing. That's because high sec is mechanically safer than null., if you are fit to survive a weak gank attempt and aren't flying something worth a strong gank attempt, AND in a npc corp where you can't be war decced, your 99.9999999% safe, whereas attaining that level of safety in null without being docked or in a POS is impossible.

Sorry brother, but the hide in local thing is nonsense, it's like saying you are safer in South Central LA than you are in Bel Air because in South Central you can see people in gang colors coming at you were as any old Buffy or Chad in Bel Air could Gank you.

I guess you've not seen the waves of catalysts in NPC corps with no history in high sec then. You never see them coming, you cant. Unless you're mashing Dscan - but few seem to. You certainly lack the warning of a new name in local before they've even loaded grid.

Wormholes...please...you can easily set yourself up to see new sigs as soon as they spawn, it's pretty trivial to evade invaders in local if one is paying attention. Hell I just posted in another thread there's a bare MINIMUM of 8 seconds before warp time for an invader to land somewhere. That's a freakin' eternity. And instantly warping to a station is the dumbest move on earth. No-one with a brain does that for the exact reason you state.

I know you think null is super dangerous and everything, but the risk is in a) travelling and b) being bad. Nowhere else. No-one is saying there's no risk, but you can mitigate it down to travel only risk (which is still substantial) if you're halfway competent and not half afk.

Highsec is naturally safer but presents a different risk set.