Warfare & Tactics

How else would you recommend people defend themselves against interceptor ganks? If they are pre-aligned and watching local carefully enough to be gone inside 10 seconds, sounds like they're doing it right. We can certainly discuss tweaks that make the funding of multiple neutral scout alts even more of a requirement to succeed than they are already, or maybe if you aren't happy with your current ratting Ishtar kill count you should 1) get better at ganking and/or find a more creative way to go about it or 2) go fight things that shoot back. There are many and they would welcome the content.

You don't have a right to effortless killmails anymore than they have a right to risk free ISK. People who have spent enormous time and effort building empires in null should derive SOME advantage from those efforts. And since you think everyone who does PvE to fund their PvP combat is a worthless "carebear" I'll ask...how do you make YOUR money? Unless you sell PLEX or scam/station trade on a character that never undocks, you're a carebear too. You're no better than anyone else. Get better at ganking. Null and lowsec are already ridiculously empty because of how difficult it is to operate there outside of a major organization. Last thing this game needs is more buffs to non-consensual pvp.

I believe you miss the entire point. Null ratting is safer, if more disruptable as an activity, than highsec.

This proposal changes that slightly thus the nullbears are up in arms that the second most dangerous space is actually potentially dangerous.

I use RR domis in WH that can get out before an inty can tackle....and I don't even have local.

I think the real problem lies in the PVE-ship gank gameplay.

It all boils down to catching PVE ships. Once they're pointed, they go down in seconds. Not much fighting involved.


So what about an invulnerability mode added to all industrial ships?

When activated, you're invulnerable for a fixed period of time, say 1 minute, but you can't move, target anything or warp. You can light a cyno though.


If help arrives in that minute, there can be a fight. Or maybe the attackers gtfo because they're pussies.

If not, you're dead.


Then your defense could be friends in PVP ships, not just running away ASAP. Also psychological warfare: is that lone barge a juicy target or bait?

You imply no bear has ever died in nullsec.

And as far as rewards go, doing anoms in null is one of the lesser rewarded pve in the game. Perhaps it should be buffed to encourage people to fight for them rather than the proposed change of making it easier for bads to get one sided kills.

My concern is that the space in 0.0 security has too much free information which plays into people's hands, both offensively and defensively. That one support fleet coming to bail the guy out? They would have the same benefits, thus making it also harder for the aggressor to decide when to bail.



Correct.
It will not harm alert players that actively play, which is exactly the point that needs to be addressed. We have way too many bots and AFK-ing players, while the actual genuine players have to "battle" against it. By using something like this, people who aren't actively playing (and thus accept the risks of dying) will be a little more vulnerable. That would potentially open up the area to more lucrative changes in the future, based on your activity and such.



The problem is that people who are actively engaged in their space, will not earn a dime more than the semi-AFK players that plant their Ishtar onto grid, drop sentries and start AFK shooting. You're saying people need incentive to get to 0.0 sec, but in the meantime you support and condone the dillution of value by inactives / AFK / bots. Make the space worthwhile for players to actively do it, and add a slight delay on information sharing.



The whole game is highly inflated on ISK because of faulty systems including the insane amount of income from moon mining.
As a player, I'd love to see occupancy-based rewards so that you have to be actually active to make that insane amount of money. 0.0 security space is the only place in the game where you literally can sit on your arse, open intel channels and just go semi-AFK while watching netflix, all while raking in billions of ISK for virtually no risk.

If you're a proactive player, you wouldn't be hurt with the system because you have information and teamwork. But I do not believe that it's justified and acceptable that being AFK can yield you the same amount of ISK as the active player, but no elevated risks.

Changing how the intel works is also logical.
The further you delve into the deep nullsec regions, the less the empires have control over that area. This is logical from both technical and lore perspectives. So why are we still having this "perfect" system that works the same as highsec, in a space that's neither controlled or owned by an Empire faction. This change would also be cool to integrate into the suggested Observatory Arrays, which could potentially affect things like gatecloak and such, as well as the delay of showing up in local.

People always get free information in 0.0, and I think the space does not benefit from that risk-averse mechanic. It still takes me a while to find your ship, so if you worry about being ganked then I can't help but wonder if you're either AFK, or just not very prepared to actually put effort into EVE.

You also get far more reward from wh than an anom runner. What an obnoxious thought, that you expect low end nullbears to put the same effort in to make less than 100m isk per hour as you do.

WH population density is low, which is why you dont get ganked too often. Population density in null isn much higher but is offset by the fact that it is easier for people to find each other for pew, or to avoid pew.

I am not above ganking the odd bear, but i really dont get the obsession so many players have with hunting people who represent no threat so they can enjoy some utterly one sided pvp.

As was mentioned above, to fix null you have to narrow the gap[ between pvp and pve content in terms of how you need to fit your ship. Then increase population density to create a situation where pve is always done in potentially hostile circumstances and rewards are worth fighting for.

Hopefully the new sov changes will have that effect, its hard to predict with them being something of a sea change.

A non-proactive player in an "AFK-tar" is not going to be checking local every 5 seconds and should be easy to catch. It seems like you are upset that you don't automatically get to gank people who are actually paying close attention. I check null killboards and see lots of dead ratting ships; if you suspect bots you should report them to CCP. Once again I really don't understand your point.

Saying that you consent to pvp when you undock does not engage with the reality of the situation which is - due to the fundamental differences between pvp and pve, pve ships are worthless in a fight. If you buff the aggressor's position such that pve outside of highsec becomes a unprofitable endeavor, that will have and already has had consequences, a point made here by numerous responders.

"I should be able to catch ratting Ishtars in my interceptor 100% of the time regardless of how prepared/attentive they are because this is a PvP game" is a short sighted proposition with negative long term effects both known and unknown, foremost among the latter being that I will have to read a dozen more threads about nullbear alts making too much ISK doing PvE in highsec.

Do you not feel somewhat ironic/bigoted, that you are a wh player supporting multiple accounts, and you are fixated on lone ratters in belts and anomalies?
I mean, if the isk was so HUGE, it sounds like you'd be the guy that was doing it.

As for botters: Report a suspected bot and I guarantee it will be investigated.
As for afk ratting. I don't think it happens as much as you think.

False.

Good camps instantly bubble up when local goes +1 to stop gate to gate warpers on the edge.

This would manifestly nerf gate camps who can't put eyes in every adjacent system.

It severely nerfs smartbomb camps too.


What this does is punish the lazy, rewards the active. Nothing more, nothing less.

False too, you bubble up when the dude uncloaks to try to warp, this way is speed is cut and you can scram web him off the gate.

Edit, im bad at reading full sentences