EVE General Discussion

Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things.

While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote,

Rookie: How dangerous is null space?

Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die.

Random person: Its just a matter of time.

This conversation is exactly how I saw it go down in rookie help chat. This is exactly why newbro's are null averse. I made a post in rookie chat right after that exchange. Basically I told the newbro that he/she needed to find someone or a corp that would be willing to spend a little time to show them some techniques and with smart piloting, null is not as bad and some make it out to be.

I know rookie help is open to anyone so your gonna find all kinds of people in there and there isn't much to be done about that. This is just my humble opinion but as far as helping new pilots experience all part of eve rookie chat seems to be a detriment in that area.

As an aside I'm pretty new to null myself so I know how daunting venturing out into low/null can be.

Ive seen that more than a few times... like everytime I roll a new alt. Its a damn shame that the cowardly try to scare others into staying in the pillow fort with them. Youll also see a lot of "you shouldn't go to low/null unitl you have at least # of SP.." usually by the same people who said don't go to null in the first place.

Part of the problem is that when people are given a choice between a "yes/no" and "depends on X/Y/Z" people will listen more to the simple answer.

Because it's easier.

edit: people also don't like it when you can't guarantee anything... like safety.

Tis a sad state of affairs.

You should have seen the stuff people wrote in my rookie corp when I tried to get a lowsec roam going.

Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care.

If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice.

Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really......

I suspect it's done on purpose by the power blocs. The "Great Wall of Carebear" is as much psychological as it is "physical". Can't have "pubbies" and "plebs" getting all uppity and trying nullsec on their own, right? That might hurt the moon goo and safe farming.

EVE pvp players ( well some, not all ) act like Piranha that haven't had a meal in a couple of days...

Getting into Lowsec / Nullsec... These locations can be major issue / concern for many players, mainly because of all the gate campers... With so many bottle-necked routes. Most don't even make it past these gates.

So you shoot yourself in the foot many times over by camping gates. Also camping stations...
If you leave the players alone for a little while, & let them do something they intended on doing. They might be more receptive / inclined in staying. Then blow them up

Something makes a plash in the water... before you blink ya already killmail. To add insult to injury you then get the killmail linked in your mail box... or some utter rubbish of how easy you was to kill & please come visit us again... ridicule, mockery blah blah comments.
"Don't get me wrong i don't mind how anyone chooose to play the game, but every action will have consequence".

Thus, resulting in players chatting about past experiences / warning others players not to make the same mistakes. Hence the stigma of players not wanting to go in such locations.
This kinda play style is only really a select few players of the community as a hole... so this wall of text is for players that act like a Piranha at any chance they can get & add injury to insult with mockery comments. Please think how you treat others.


Forbidden fruit ( Google pasted )

Is a phrase that originates from Genesis concerning Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:16–17. In the narrative, the fruit of good and evil was eaten by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. As a metaphor, the phrase typically refers to any indulgence or pleasure that is considered illegal or immoral.

Flesh

In the Book of Enoch [16] chapt. 1, verse 69: "And the third was named Gadreeel: he it is that showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed [the weapons of death to the sons of men], the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the children of men. And from his hand they have proceeded against those who dwell on the earth from that day and for evermore." Therefore, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was flesh and the methods to acquire it.

"Once you have tasted the forbidden fruit you would always want more, bloodthirsty for more"

Well for one, I'll freely admit that I'm no where near qualified to show anyone the ropes. As I had stated and you so conveniently over looked, I myself am new to Null and pvp in general. I would do someone a diservice by trying to teach someone anything about null or pvp.

Secondly I happen to know someone who actually teaches a pvp 101 course to new players. I met him as he had advertised his service in the ingame chat. I took a chance and I'm the better for it. Now I'm out and about in Lowsec and Null having a blast. I also steer new players to this person who are looking to learn how to use claws and fangs.

Another thing I do is tell folks that there are corps and alliances who are new pilot friendly. For example Eveuni, Brave Newbies, Redemption Road and if I'm not mistaken the bigger alliances have corps dedicated to new players. For example Pandemic Horde.

Yes, i couldn't agree more. Your points are very valid, & this kinda information would go along way with helping new players

The only issue with your comment is that most new players will not plan ahead & check the map for the issues that could happen. Also many NPC corp members don't always give your kinda feedback, kinda like what the OP talked about.

Saying this SWA does have many vet players that do give decent advice & help , but i think it can be over-shadowed by trollers & people that would rather spam utter rubbish. Trying to filter this out as a new player, perhaps wouldn't be any of the wiser on what the truth actually is.

I must admit the feeling you get from appearing on the other side of the gate & nothing is about is rather a refreshing feeling, but i also get a buzz. Then the gate camp, you get target locked & they mess up. This time you manage to escape. Such a great feeling. ( transcendent feeling ) ... cya laters "wiggles ship"

Depends on what he player was trying to do. Besides, the null sec corp/alliance options suck....hard....