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[PRESS] Infiltration of Unkn. System; Identification of Hilen Tukoss

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#41 - 2015-06-03 17:27:31 UTC
She might have. Or she may not have actually been in the pod when it detonated.

If she were a clone, she would not have been made empress, so she cannot be one.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#42 - 2015-06-03 17:29:01 UTC
Firstly, good work to all those involved. It is good to see initiative being taken in these matters.

Secondly, I must share the concerns of others in regards to Hilen Tukoss's body. Why was it not taken like the others? It does make it seem like he was supposed to be found dead.

I wonder if it was possible for them to have captured his capsule, cloned him and then destroyed his old body to make him appear dead. Regardless, these sites warrant more investigation to be sure.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#43 - 2015-06-03 17:44:46 UTC
Olivandar Nova wrote:

There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.

Wow, now, that's something I would hear in a pleasure hub in lowsec near Amarr space.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#44 - 2015-06-03 17:51:47 UTC
if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle.

She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira.
you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#45 - 2015-06-03 17:53:13 UTC
Olivandar Nova wrote:
There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.


Could you please provide your source information on this? There h as been speculation for some time about her being a clone due to what happened, its a reasonable assumption but you sound like you have hard proof to have knowledge of the process of cloning that occurred. It would be of great help to those who wish to know what really happened to have something solid to go off of.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#46 - 2015-06-03 17:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
iyammarrok wrote:
if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle.

She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira.
you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress.

...from some inflated Amarr money bag with wrinkles and fancy titles who is salty that his family is not at the top of the food chain.

Are you the new messiah?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2015-06-03 20:31:40 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Olivandar Nova wrote:
There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.


Could you please provide your source information on this? There h as been speculation for some time about her being a clone due to what happened, its a reasonable assumption but you sound like you have hard proof to have knowledge of the process of cloning that occurred. It would be of great help to those who wish to know what really happened to have something solid to go off of.

I was the one who activated her clone. I'm not allowed to tell you that though....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Malleus Karris
Karris Family
#48 - 2015-06-03 20:47:10 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
and yes, she is a clone. she has never denied this either.
or do you think she came back from having her ship and pod exploded some other way hmmm?

We know there is the Entosis Link. We know that this technology projects a consciousness into a database. Perhaps similar technology could be used to passively download a consciousness. In this sense, cloning in the method usually associated with a capsuleer's death and rebirth is circumvented.

Also, consider this. While the flesh of the Heirs is sacred, it is possible this method was used to create a 'duplicate' that attended the succession rituals. In this way the Empress could have 'died' while still protecting the sacred flesh. Or, if the body of the Empress were recovered and repaired via other technologies the sacred flesh would also be preserved.

Regardless of the method, the Empress returned to save the Empire. She has been recognized as Empress by the Empire. This is all that matters.
Daaaain
China Ground Wind Corporation
Ground Winds Corporations
#49 - 2015-06-04 02:07:47 UTC
I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times..
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2015-06-04 05:04:06 UTC
Daaaain wrote:
I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times..


There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#51 - 2015-06-04 07:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Exploration Frontier Inc has successfully completed an exploration expedition in Conflux. Today at around 00:10.


Adopted strategy against Drifter vessels:

Having gone to the conclusion that there is no reliable way to avoid losses facing Drifters, we decided to minimize human an financial casualties by simply ignoring them. They did not receive any damages and their attacks were promptly countered by our Ospreys.
I must warn you however that, maybe by poor luck, one of our pilots reported that the Drifter once managed to land a hit that was 3 times more powerful than an usual Drifter volley. Such event makes a decent shield or armor buffer mandatory, even with formidable reactivity from your logistics.


After Action Report from the Conflux:

The Caracal Fleet with Osprey support had to split in two groups. Capsuleers with remarkable hacking skills were able to open us the way without the need for any specialised ship, as they were in standard Ospreys outfitted with a Data Analyzer II.

The security of the Conflux was quite impressive, as everytime we managed to unlock something through haking, it would be locked again in a matter of minutes. It should also be noted that one group was only able to unlock the way for the opposite group, forcing both group to progress through the site in parallel, following a strict timing.

Sadly, one group failed to identify the console that would open the final acceleration gate for the other group. As we had no knowledge of the layout of the Conflux, they did not realize that they were about to reach the Conflux Hive before it was too late.

Therefore, only 40% of the fleet managed to reach the Hive. It consisted in a circular structure of an estimated 120km size. Along with the sleeper drone protection that every part of the Conflux had, we noticed a Drifter named "Hikanta Tyrannos", seemingly guarding a structure named "Conflux Vault".

We engaged Hikanta Tyrannos and proceeded to destroy his vessel, loosing a ship in the process. It was quite a surprise however, when we realized that his remains contained a Vidette Index. A quick analysis revealed that it is some sort of key, but not the one we were looking for, as it was unable to open the Conflux Vault.

Therefore, having nothing left to do, I ordered the fleet to leave the system.

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iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#52 - 2015-06-04 09:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
Jaret Victorian wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle.

She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira.
you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress.

...from some inflated Amarr money bag with wrinkles and fancy titles who is salty that his family is not at the top of the food chain.

Are you the new messiah?


Wait what?
Jaret, I'm Intaki.

you seem to be somewhat confused.
This face is nowhere near pointy or bald enough to be Vaari

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#53 - 2015-06-04 09:13:59 UTC
Altrue, Just a thought, but did you try using the key on the Conflux Hive, if there was one?

if it fits the pattern reported earlier in this thread, there may be a chance that a key dropped in one part would open the other side.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-06-04 09:16:23 UTC
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Daaaain wrote:
I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times..


There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112.


There was no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used to create the new starbase shielding systems was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed until a few days ago...
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#55 - 2015-06-04 09:28:59 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:


There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112.


There was no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used to create the new starbase shielding systems was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed until a few days ago...



as the scope article said it was based on the proprietary shielding technology used to protect stations and stargates, there was plenty of evidence that it existed.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#56 - 2015-06-04 09:30:46 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Exploration Frontier Inc has successfully completed an exploration expedition in Conflux. Today at around 00:10.


Adopted strategy against Drifter vessels:

Having gone to the conclusion that there is no reliable way to avoid losses facing Drifters, we decided to minimize human an financial casualties by simply ignoring them. They did not receive any damages and their attacks were promptly countered by our Ospreys.
I must warn you however that, maybe by poor luck, one of our pilots reported that the Drifter once managed to land a hit that was 3 times more powerful than an usual Drifter volley. Such event makes a decent shield or armor buffer mandatory, even with formidable reactivity from your logistics.
The only reliable way we have found to avoid losses is stealthy infiltration. Drifters seem to be immediately aggressive to all targets, but can't fire on a cloaked ship, so we did what we could to sneak through the facility in stealthy ships. It should go without saying, this is something of an expensive option, and does not do anything to solve the problem of Hikanta

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We engaged Hikanta Tyrannos and proceeded to destroy his vessel, loosing a ship in the process. It was quite a surprise however, when we realized that his remains contained a Vidette Index. A quick analysis revealed that it is some sort of key, but not the one we were looking for, as it was unable to open the Conflux Vault.

Interesting. If other locations similarly don't give out their own keys, then the facilities may be cross locked similar to how each facility itself operates.

Given the security measures, the contents must be very valuable to the Drifters.
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#57 - 2015-06-04 13:41:23 UTC
This is very, very alarming news. This massive collection of Drifter Forces must be destroyed. I would propose the formation of a large Capital and Super-Capital Fleet to destroy this threat before it becomes bigger.

We need to access these vaults, and we need to find out what is in them. We also need to destroy this 'Hikanta Tyrannos', and the Redoubt Hive itself if possible.

I morn the loss of Hilen Tukoss, but he is just one casualty of many, and many, many more if this threat is not dealt with. Let this be a rallying call to a war.


We need to destroy the Drifters before it is too late.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2015-06-04 13:55:53 UTC
Despite what I consider a well-versed vocabulary, I had to look up the meaning of vidette.

Vidette - noun, a mounted sentry in advance of the outposts of an army.

Thus, a vidette index should be a list of Drifter advance scouts. Extremely valuable intel you have there, m8. Share it plox.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#59 - 2015-06-05 11:18:32 UTC
Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:
This is very, very alarming news. This massive collection of Drifter Forces must be destroyed. I would propose the formation of a large Capital and Super-Capital Fleet to destroy this threat before it becomes bigger.

We need to access these vaults, and we need to find out what is in them. We also need to destroy this 'Hikanta Tyrannos', and the Redoubt Hive itself if possible.

I morn the loss of Hilen Tukoss, but he is just one casualty of many, and many, many more if this threat is not dealt with. Let this be a rallying call to a war.


We need to destroy the Drifters before it is too late.


Afraid to say but looking at the readings taken of the unidentified wormholes seems to indicate that capital vessels are unable to pass through limiting us to the use of sub-capital vessels. Also given the seeming nature of the Drifters as infomorphs similar to ourselves they more then likely simply download to a new body upon 'death' making their destruction infuriatingly difficult.

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#60 - 2015-06-05 15:20:16 UTC
Was any data extracted from the structures via entosis link?