Market Discussions

I started trading on the 28th of march after watching Angelica Everstar's fanfest presentation and talking to some corpmates, I have traded in the past stocking my alliances nullsec stations with contacts and ammo and i have attempted station trading in the past but never to much profit and rapidly burned out.

My aim was to make enough isk to plex my 2 accounts each month and have a small amount of spending cash.

I chose to base out of amarr and not jita and transferred 500Mill to my trade alt, I placed buy orders for around 50 items mostly t2 and meta 4 modules (I was limited by skills at the time) something i had not done prior, in my prior attempts i had only invested in 3-5 items something i now realise was the main cause of my issues.

In one week i was able to grow up to 1.5b i believe this was mainly due to me having nothing better to do all day but 0.01 isk the orders not something i would recommend to other players. By the end of the week i was already starting to see the limit of t2 and meta 4 mods and i was about to take a weeks Holiday so i canceled all my buy orders and set retail V training. Here is the graph from everus for that first week.

When i returned my holiday (glen coe and glen Nevis are stunning by the way and you should visit if you get the chance) i decided to put my jump freighter up for collateral in a loan with that i was able to get a 6.5b injection of isk and started to invest in faction mods and implants i also placed some buy orders for faction ships at the time a few of the faction bs' had good margins. My faction bs' orders did fill but i found the sell market so incredibly competitive as compared to other faction gear markets especially when the volume of sales is so low, i ended up selling the bs' back to buy orders so i did not have a large % of my capital locked up for a week and just too the small loss i think i lost around 20-30 mil in total.

Around the 22nd i started to accumulate enough ISK (my aim was to keep 1-2b) and not have enough orders or items to invest in so i began to train a 2nd trade alt with the aim to put him in jita and do the same as i am in amarr which i did on the 28th.

Things i have learned

• Diversify if you think 10 different items is allot think again.
• Ships are incredibly competitive for no obvious reason
• Everus is great when you have to update lots of orders
• Theirs bigger margins to be found than you might think

Between my two characters i have this month:

• 170 orders
• 6336 Market Escrow entrances in the journal for ISK -34,834,584,252.7 total
• 1167 Market Transaction entrances in the journal for ISK 34,170,298,921.1 total
• 1168 Transaction Tax entrances in the journal for ISK -307,832,666.22 total
• 8270 Brokers Fee entrances in the journal for ISK -854,508,552.89 total
• Sold 216 item types and 34655 unique items
• Made 6,751,982,235.00 ISK profit

Here is the everus graph for the entire period http://i.imgur.com/EyjM9cQ.png

Here is the my profit graph for the last 30 days http://i.imgur.com/g97LKqW.png

Thanks after i got the investment i was still 1 isking a bit but currently i just update my orders 3-4 times a day.

When it comes to software i think people get a bit confused none of the software available is going to make you more isk than you would otherwise it just helps you to manage your orders and makes updating them easier tracks stats etc

I personally aim for 15 - 20% profit margin that's easily teachable with faction and implants but it does take more of an investment.

What is everus? I'm getting nothing on google

Ah! Thanks this looks pretty good actually. I had the same issue, found nothing in regards to it was a little confusing.

I never use a third party tool because I'm always worried about leak of data

Instead I had to create my own tools on google sheet from scratch

Great read. Its nice that people time to time tell about their workings in trade industry, as it is - a secretive business. One wrong word and your tipping your competitors.

Buy order at 4k, Sell Order at 50k. Those are skillbooks like Propulsion Jamming or Afterburner. The profit amount is small, but it can pull me like 500k / day on one book (so two orders) and it allows me to monitor few things. Also I am not maxed out regarding my orders yet (I have a long way to go to max out 305 orders) so I keep it :D

I didn't use any loan, only money from myself and the occasional L2 Distribution reward. However around the 27th of April I cancelled all my orders and started them again, cleaning old ones and creating new ones. My daily ROI went from 5% to 15/20% easily


Nope, sorry :) Like many people, this character is an alt (is it still an alt if I am spending more time on this character than the others ?) Trading is something I do on the side, to relax, and I don't want to add the hassle of talking too much with other people.


High value items are quite great, but you will end up committing a large part of your cash to few items, which could block you for making smaller investments.
Regarding the profit margin I go down until 3% in most case. Don't forget to train Accounting V, Broker Relations V as soon as possible (like right after Trade V) and start farming those standings ! You can also train Social V on a Charisma Remap quite quickly



Do your research, find a nice activity, use it, and get rich :D

Programs wise, I tried Evernus, Mentat but I didn't like their interfaces at all. I use jEveAssets for the e-penis side of thing (I love watching my networth growing) and Elinor for quick maths including my standings. I absolutely love Elinor

Amazing read, thank you all!

Amazing read. Really helped me out.