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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-06-03 00:32:37 UTC
Gardav wrote:


I could stare at asteroids for a decade alone just fine. I loved Mining and I enjoyed the empty vastness of EvE's virtual space. I left other Players alone because i was not seeking interaction and most Players respected my wishes by leaving me alone. My enjoyment of EvE was awesome. I looked forward to logging in every day and I actually looked forward to paying my subscription to support CCP.

Then I learned that just like in real life you can not be an island in EvE even when you want to be.

I am leaving EvE because just like Real Life some People can't take a hint and leave a person alone when that person does not interact with them... a clear signal that the person does not seek interaction (me). Some Players make it a quasi religious perversion to interact with Players that seek no interaction. I consider that wrong on many levels, no matter what EvE's back story is. If I encounter a person that wishes to be left alone and I intrude into their solitude I consider myself to be a rude bastard, so I leave that person to their solitude as i should.

I am also leaving EvE because since I learned that all actions are interpreted as hostile or adversarial, no matter whether you see your actions as harmless or not. I learned a few weeks ago in another thread CCP actually designed the game this way. I consider such a development mindset to be counter productive and wrong, just as I see real life laws that assume the motives of people are always a certain way to be counter productive and wrong.


To offer another answer to your statement Cara Forelli, For me personally there is something very interesting about shooting red crosses or staring at asteroids by yourself... it's just most people will never understand it because they don't experience life the way I do to be quite blunt about it.

Anthonious Sarcuunni good luck with EvE, I hope you find what you are looking for here. Head's Up on the "All actions are adversarial" thing.

If this were real life I would agree with you. However the interactions that you are describing as something that you avoid are the advertising slogans of this game. This game is not for everyone and no one is forcing you to play and the devs are not trying to please everyone. What you are describing here is kind of like going to a nudist colony and complaining about all the naked people.

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Anthonious Sarcuunni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-06-03 13:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthonious Sarcuunni
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Gardav wrote:


I could stare at asteroids for a decade alone just fine. I loved Mining and I enjoyed the empty vastness of EvE's virtual space. I left other Players alone because i was not seeking interaction and most Players respected my wishes by leaving me alone. My enjoyment of EvE was awesome. I looked forward to logging in every day and I actually looked forward to paying my subscription to support CCP.

Then I learned that just like in real life you can not be an island in EvE even when you want to be.

I am leaving EvE because just like Real Life some People can't take a hint and leave a person alone when that person does not interact with them... a clear signal that the person does not seek interaction (me). Some Players make it a quasi religious perversion to interact with Players that seek no interaction. I consider that wrong on many levels, no matter what EvE's back story is. If I encounter a person that wishes to be left alone and I intrude into their solitude I consider myself to be a rude bastard, so I leave that person to their solitude as i should.

I am also leaving EvE because since I learned that all actions are interpreted as hostile or adversarial, no matter whether you see your actions as harmless or not. I learned a few weeks ago in another thread CCP actually designed the game this way. I consider such a development mindset to be counter productive and wrong, just as I see real life laws that assume the motives of people are always a certain way to be counter productive and wrong.


To offer another answer to your statement Cara Forelli, For me personally there is something very interesting about shooting red crosses or staring at asteroids by yourself... it's just most people will never understand it because they don't experience life the way I do to be quite blunt about it.

Anthonious Sarcuunni good luck with EvE, I hope you find what you are looking for here. Head's Up on the "All actions are adversarial" thing.

If this were real life I would agree with you. However the interactions that you are describing as something that you avoid are the advertising slogans of this game. This game is not for everyone and no one is forcing you to play and the devs are not trying to please everyone. What you are describing here is kind of like going to a nudist colony and complaining about all the naked people.


Maybe so, but it's also revealing. He preferred to play solo, as I do sometimes, however the game is designed apparently specifically to not really allow that, at least to be efficient or maybe done over the long term. He could innocently be doing something in an area, a person ask him to do something, he either declines, or doesn't answer, and then the other person may kill him, since all actions are apparently interpreted as hostile.

It reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE

His IRL arguement is that people are "innocent until proven guilty", at least that is what it is supposed to be...EVE's mentality appears to be the exact opposite..hostile until otherwise....I can in some ways understand that too.

I can really appreciate what EVE wants to do...I really do, although I may sound to the contrary.

I have no problems with joining a Corp, however, it's not something i want to do right now. At this point, I prefer to explore, mine, build some of the blueprints that I had gotten when I bought some packages on Steam, and understand the basics. I'm of 0 use to a corp I feel right now with the limited assets I have access too. No weapons to outfit anything, etc. etc. How can I put this....I'd like the base WoW type of experience...right now at least, later, I'll definitely look at other avenues and corps, but for now, i'd like to scan, probe, find mines / sites / things, go there, etc...the WoW type of questing / instance, or at least as close to that as EVE will allow. : D

So, if I want to at least have that for now, I'm guessing I'm scanning those systems that show up in red, then, if I find an ore anomaly I can jump into a miner and go to it? Basically I'd jump from system to system doing this? That's really my question right now. I'll jump into a Heron I setup to scan, send some probes to a system and find an ore site...is there anything I need to do to mark that down, or once scanned to 100%, I can go back to my hangar, get into a mining ship, then go back to that spot and mine, or do I need to jump there right away with the heron and use that to mine? That's what I'm a little confused about.

That's what i'd like to do for now to at least get a handle on things. Last night I completed the Advance military mission, got the ship that gives you, although I can't use it just yet, although by the time I get home from work I should be able to as I have a 3 day skill queue trained up!

Once I get to a certain point, I'll investigate some corps, right now though, I prefer to putz around alone while I'm getting acclimated.

Baby steps.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#23 - 2015-06-03 14:04:09 UTC
Reasonable approach, best of luck in your efforts P

As an aside: never underestimate just how valuable an active and friendly player is to a corp.

Players are the best content in the game, everyone is looking for buddies to fly with, mine with etc. and the game rewards teamwork in an exponential fashion. Sp really only matters to a small sub group of corps, most just want you subbed and active so you can interact with the other players in corp and out.
Anthonious Sarcuunni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-06-03 14:26:06 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Reasonable approach, best of luck in your efforts P

As an aside: never underestimate just how valuable an active and friendly player is to a corp.

Players are the best content in the game, everyone is looking for buddies to fly with, mine with etc. and the game rewards teamwork in an exponential fashion. Sp really only matters to a small sub group of corps, most just want you subbed and active so you can interact with the other players in corp and out.


right, but a player that doesn't really know what's going on isn't good content apart from being a chew toy for vets and I doubt of much use to a corp.

I'd prefer to join one when I know what's going on, and feel that I can contribute, beyond being a target in target practice.
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-06-03 14:34:38 UTC
It is entirely possible to play this game solo, though depending on what you want to do, you will find certain things extremely frustrating trying to go it alone.

For instance, I am involved in Faction Warfare. There are days where it is possible to solo in FW and be just fine, and rake in the LP. Other days, it's suicide and incredibly frustrating.

This seems to be the standard in EVE. You can do alot of things solo, you just may not be able to do alot of things well solo. The exception to that seems to be exploration. I made pretty good ISK solo in exploration(though not close to what I am making now in FW.)
Anthonious Sarcuunni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-06-03 15:01:11 UTC
Syrilian wrote:
It is entirely possible to play this game solo, though depending on what you want to do, you will find certain things extremely frustrating trying to go it alone.

For instance, I am involved in Faction Warfare. There are days where it is possible to solo in FW and be just fine, and rake in the LP. Other days, it's suicide and incredibly frustrating.

This seems to be the standard in EVE. You can do alot of things solo, you just may not be able to do alot of things well solo. The exception to that seems to be exploration. I made pretty good ISK solo in exploration(though not close to what I am making now in FW.)


Is this PVP or PvE?
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-06-03 15:21:52 UTC
Anthonious Sarcuunni wrote:
I'll jump into a Heron I setup to scan, send some probes to a system and find an ore site...is there anything I need to do to mark that down, or once scanned to 100%, I can go back to my hangar, get into a mining ship, then go back to that spot and mine, or do I need to jump there right away with the heron and use that to mine? That's what I'm a little confused about.

You can use the heron to scan and then switch ships. Just right click the signature once you get it to 100% and it turns green and click "save location". You can then right click in space to warp to it, or open "People and Places" to see your list of saved locations. These are commonly referred to as "bookmarks".

As for your general approach, do whatever works best for you. Even though I recommend joining a corporation I can understand wanting to get your head on straight first. I joined the first corp that offered on day one (I cringe when I think about it) and was too embarrassed by my noobness to really participate with them. I left them pretty quickly and spent some time figuring out the basics of the game.

However, a couple months later I decided to try again and join a wormhole corp. Despite about two months of playing by myself I still had almost no practical knowledge of wormhole space or anything living there would entail. The skills I had trained were also worthless. But my new corp was very good to me, showing me the ropes and and teaching me how to teach myself. Basically what I'm saying is, learn the basics, but don't wait until you are an "expert" to join a corporation, because it's much easier and much more fun to learn from or alongside others.

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Anthonious Sarcuunni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-06-03 15:31:18 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Anthonious Sarcuunni wrote:
I'll jump into a Heron I setup to scan, send some probes to a system and find an ore site...is there anything I need to do to mark that down, or once scanned to 100%, I can go back to my hangar, get into a mining ship, then go back to that spot and mine, or do I need to jump there right away with the heron and use that to mine? That's what I'm a little confused about.

You can use the heron to scan and then switch ships. Just right click the signature once you get it to 100% and it turns green and click "save location". You can then right click in space to warp to it, or open "People and Places" to see your list of saved locations. These are commonly referred to as "bookmarks".

As for your general approach, do whatever works best for you. Even though I recommend joining a corporation I can understand wanting to get your head on straight first. I joined the first corp that offered on day one (I cringe when I think about it) and was too embarrassed by my noobness to really participate with them. I left them pretty quickly and spent some time figuring out the basics of the game.

However, a couple months later I decided to try again and join a wormhole corp. Despite about two months of playing by myself I still had almost no practical knowledge of wormhole space or anything living there would entail. The skills I had trained were also worthless. But my new corp was very good to me, showing me the ropes and and teaching me how to teach myself. Basically what I'm saying is, learn the basics, but don't wait until you are an "expert" to join a corporation, because it's much easier and much more fun to learn from or alongside others.


that's the approach I usually will take with MMO's and the approach I want to take with EVE. With Warcraft, I did the same thing. Made sure I knew the basics, however, EVE has a ton more going on, and honestly, I'd rather learn by doing than reading up resources online, unless I absolutely need to.

I don't want to join a corp, ask a ton of questions, then get booted.

Thanks for answering my 'red scan' question. I'm still in the noob area and have a few of the tutorial agent missions left. Once I complete them, then I'm probably going to start scanning the red icons in the area and explore them.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#29 - 2015-06-03 15:52:31 UTC
Perspective adjustment again Big smile

I know of at least five guys I've flown with who enjoy teaching new players anything they want to know. That's the primary reason they log in. New players aren't always just chew toys, sometimes they are integral to everyone's enjoyment of the game in ways quite removed from the PVP / scamming and meta side of Eve.
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-06-03 16:04:40 UTC
Anthonious Sarcuunni wrote:
Syrilian wrote:
It is entirely possible to play this game solo, though depending on what you want to do, you will find certain things extremely frustrating trying to go it alone.

For instance, I am involved in Faction Warfare. There are days where it is possible to solo in FW and be just fine, and rake in the LP. Other days, it's suicide and incredibly frustrating.

This seems to be the standard in EVE. You can do alot of things solo, you just may not be able to do alot of things well solo. The exception to that seems to be exploration. I made pretty good ISK solo in exploration(though not close to what I am making now in FW.)


Is this PVP or PvE?


Which?

Without getting into the whole "everything you do in EVE is PVP" argument, exploration is PVE(with a dash of PVP with pirates hunting you in low/null sec while hacking) while Faction Warfare is almost exclusively PVP, with a dash of PVE.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-06-03 16:13:51 UTC
Anthonious Sarcuunni wrote:
Syrilian wrote:
It is entirely possible to play this game solo, though depending on what you want to do, you will find certain things extremely frustrating trying to go it alone.

For instance, I am involved in Faction Warfare. There are days where it is possible to solo in FW and be just fine, and rake in the LP. Other days, it's suicide and incredibly frustrating.

This seems to be the standard in EVE. You can do alot of things solo, you just may not be able to do alot of things well solo. The exception to that seems to be exploration. I made pretty good ISK solo in exploration(though not close to what I am making now in FW.)


Is this PVP or PvE?


EvE IS PVP.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Lord Chumly
Aerial Empire
#32 - 2015-06-07 10:07:03 UTC
I've been playing "solo" for six years, so let me give you some advice.

It sounds like you have the right attitude to enjoy this game.

If you're playing in High Sec systems then you can definitely play more casually and play solo more easily, but you'll "earn" less ISK. Since ISK is the means by which you buy ships, modules, and other toys in the game, you may find yourself wanting to venture into Low Sec to make more ISK more quickly (unless you want to "buy" your ISK with real money, which means purchasing a PLEX, then selling it in-game to another player for several hundred million ISK).

Playing in Low Sec will force you to learn new tactics to avoid getting killed, so it becomes a whole new game, and a more difficult one. You'll have to slow down and think more carefully about every move you make, what modules to fit, etc.

The same goes for Null Sec and wormhole systems. The tactics you use in Low Sec for traveling from gate to gate, hauling, engaging in PvP, managing planetary colonies, exploring, etc. will need to be adjusted for each of those types of systems. Each type of system becomes more challenging to survive and thrive in, but you also get more freedom to engage in combat against other players.

But in the end, all that matters is whether you're having fun playing with your internet spaceships. Take the game at your own pace and in your own way.

If you need any advice feel free to send me an email in game. Or if you're thinking of going into low sec and you don't have a corp to help scout ahead, let me know and I'll provide some scouting support, because you will get ganked at those low sec gates. Maybe not the first or second time, but it will happen. That's for sure.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-06-07 13:18:19 UTC
Anthonious Sarcuunni wrote:
I'm of 0 use to a corp I feel right now with the limited assets I have access too. No weapons to outfit anything, etc. etc. How can I put this....I'd like the base WoW type of experience...right now at least, later, I'll definitely look at other avenues and corps, but for now, i'd like to scan, probe, find mines / sites / things, go there, etc...the WoW type of questing / instance, or at least as close to that as EVE will allow. : D

I felt this exact way when I came to this game from WoW and this is the exact attitude that I can tell you from experience is not only of no use to you in this game but will work against you. You can do as you like it's your $15 per month, I'm just telling you that you are going the "beat your head against the wall" path.

Yes in WoW you need to have something to offer the guild. That mostly is because you can only have so many people on a raid or at least the raids scale up in diffiuclty with every person that you add so they had better be of decent skill and gear. A similar thing happens in PvP due to the structured nature of it.

Eve is totally different. If you have 7 pilots on a roam an 8th will be more than welcome as it can only help. We are not going up against fixed numbers here and there is no huge gap like in WoW where a level 10 player can't do anything against a level 100. A one week old character in a frigate could blow up a ten year old character in a Battleship.

Eve is a game and an MMO. It's not a job. It's about having fun and playing. The only thing that you need to bring to the table is a decent attitude. I often compare Eve to the adult version of kids on a playground. I take my nieces and nephews to the play ground all of the time. Even out of state where we bump into lot of kids that they've never met and of differing ages. When the kids get together they figure out a way to play together. Regardless of how many of there there are or what the age range is.

So are you a warm body? Do you like to play and make friends? If so then you have everything needed to be a welcome member in most organizations in Eve.

I believe it will improve your eve experience if you drop any of the job like ideas of needing to meet special qualifications in Eve. Yes many corps do have some application requirements in Eve and even some pretty strict ones. The vast majority of those are there to screen out experienced vets who are spys pretending to be new players and not the actual new players themselves. If spying was not such a huge thing in this game 95% of the corps out there would be very very new player friendly. This game, in most cases, is very much a "the more the merrier" situation.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-06-07 13:47:39 UTC
Anthonious Sarcuunni wrote:

I don't want to join a corp, ask a ton of questions, then get booted.

This kind of thing does not often happen in this game. I've been playing this game since 2009 and in many ways still feel like a newbie. You will find most players in this game falling all over themselves to help new players. This game has a huge learning curve. We all know it and we all went through it and all of us vets have a long list of players that helped us out along the way and are looking to pay it forward.

Yes if you ask every single question that comes to your mind every 5 seconds it might get old but if you at least try stuff out enough to ask a half way intelligent question other players will be more than happy to help out. And if you are asking to many questions that are too easy for you to figure out on your own then someone will, in most cases, usually inform you that you should be at least giving things a effort first.

My example is a guy that posted in the NC Q&A about a week ago wondering why he could only use one gas harvester at a time when the skill description clearly states:
Skillbook description wrote:

"Skill at harvesting gas clouds. Allows use of one gas cloud harvester per level."


In the above situation I told the player to atleast read the skills description first. And even in that situation I was not pissed that he asked. It's just that when a player asks me a question I would much rather teach them how to find the answers themselves than just answer if for them. My guess is that's the goal of most vets looking to help. They don't want to just help you in this one situation. They would much rather give you tools that you can use over and over again. Well at least that's how I see it, I can't speak for others.

So if you enjoy playing alone don't let me tell you how to play your game. However if you or any other newer player reading this is playing solo because you feel like you'd be a burden to other players then I just want to say that is an attitude taught to you by WoW due to WoW mechanics and it has no place in this game. I say this as a player that came to Eve from WoW with that attitude and found my game experience much improved once I got rid of it.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#35 - 2015-06-07 22:06:50 UTC
Syrilian wrote:


Which?

Without getting into the whole "everything you do in EVE is PVP" argument, exploration is PVE(with a dash of PVP with pirates hunting you in low/null sec while hacking) while Faction Warfare is almost exclusively PVP, with a dash of PVE.
Player vs Everything. It's a sandbox simulator, within a pvp enabled environment (such as life). In a sense, everything is pvp here, even if you are evading pvp which is participating in it just the same as it defines your actions and the actions of everyone else.

I'm in it for the money

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