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POS and Corporation roles

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Kira Kaliandra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-05-29 22:49:12 UTC
Hello everyone,

I havent used a pos in over 2 years now (i actually had a break from eve half that time) and Im back to being noob at these things so I need a bit of help understanding some mechanics involving poses.

1. Do the "new" laboratories (design laboratory for example) have slots anymore?
1a. Can multiple people use the same laboratory at the same time? If yes, does it incur some penalty or higher costs or something?
1b. Can someone else cancel my ongoing projects and then take my stuff?

2. Same questions from above but this time for the assembly arrays.

3. Do I need any other role to have access and utilize laboratories (And manufacturing arrays):

Factory Manager
Rent Factory Slot
Rent Research Slot
Access to an "Other" hangar division. Do I need both Query and Take permissions for these hangars?

3a. If i have corporate tax set on my labs, do the people that conduct research, invention and so on require access to some corporation wallets?

4. Is having a pos set up for all corporation members usage possible? I mean, if i allow everyone to research, invent, manufacture stuff, can they steal other people stuff, cancel their projects and so on?

5. I know that in the past there was this "networking" skill or something that allowed you to utilize blueprints that were in other places and not inside poses. Was taht removed? Do I need to have the blueprints inside the specific structures in my pos?
Can anyone take any of the stuff? Cant I lock them or something?


Thanks and sorry for the noob questions :)
Kira Kaliandra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-05-30 12:11:05 UTC
Really, no one?
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-05-30 16:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Termy Rockling
1) Unlimited slots
1a) Unlimited users, systemwide price index depends on total amount of particular activity (copying/inventing/researching etc) in the system
1b) Directors and job starter can cancel, you lose allocated materials. Anyone who has take rights to hangar can take unused materials/returned blueprints.

2) Same as 1

3) I think thats all what is needed, also arrays need to be set usable (i think they are by default)
Not sure if only query is needed to start a job, but you need take rights to take out your stuff anyway.

3a) No idea

4) If ppl have hangar access, they can take stuff. Only directors can cancel jobs+job starter. So if you put in your stuff, start job, take everything when job is complete it should be safeish.

5) You can have BPs in query only hangar, dont think you need to lock them. BPs need to be in same array as they are used, different divisionhangar is fine.
Jaden Soniel
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-05-30 16:21:56 UTC
Hello,

The labs and the assembly arrays work similar, they both have no slots anymore so, as far as I know, you can run as many jobs on them as possible, with more than one character. There is a system cost index that contributes to a cost you have to pay when you start an industry job. It goes up as more people start jobs in that system, but it is very sluggish and has a cap.

I'm not sure about how corporation roles work with industry in a corporation, but if you set a tax for your members, it just adds an additional cost to installing jobs. That money goes into a corporate wallet I think.

As far as I know it might be possible for people to remove pos structures, if they have the roles to instal indy jobs on a tower, but I am not sure about that anymore. They can also cancel orders as well i think, but still, it is possible to set up a tower for members to use.

I never used this networking skill that you mentioned, so i can't comment on those.

These are some complicated topics (the corp roles for example), so don't feel bad about asking. I'm not entirely sure about the things i wrote, so it's best to look around on the internet or just try the corp roles out in the game. If nothing else you can go to the singularity server and test out stuff there where you can't lose anything.
Kira Kaliandra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-05-30 17:36:45 UTC
Thank you both for taking the time to answer my questions!

I have decided not to allow usage of my pos to all my corporation members because that would only lead to more problems such as theft.
I'll have to think about another way to do this ...
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2015-05-30 19:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Kira Kaliandra wrote:
Thank you both for taking the time to answer my questions!

I have decided not to allow usage of my pos to all my corporation members because that would only lead to more problems such as theft.
I'll have to think about another way to do this ...

Create alliance. Join alliance with tower-holding corp. Keep industry alts in that corp.

We hired someone to create our alliance. It cost something like 1b for the CONCORD fee, and 100m for the creator (prices vary).
Kira Kaliandra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-05-31 15:42:46 UTC
Well, i am not ready to take part in an alliance, even if its our own.

Instead ive gone with a different system. I've got 3 people as researchers in my corp that will have access to the pos and its facilities.
Private contracts will be used to contract blueprints to the 3 researchers in exchange for collateral (this is where i have a probelm now)
Once the job is done, the researchers will return the blueprint to the owner and retrieve the collateral + a small corporation tax.

The problem is as mentioned above in the collateral, idk how much to ask the contract issuer. How would I determine the value of the blueprint ... have no idea.
Alicia Dnari
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#8 - 2015-06-03 06:10:48 UTC
In theory, you figure out what your researched BPOs are worth by looking at what similar BPOs are selling for. In practice, they're only sold on contracts, and I've found trying to extract that info from the Contracts interface to be a pain in the butt. At minimum they should be worth the cost of the unresearched BPO plus the cost of doing the research plus something for your time, but how that compares to actual sale price I don't know.