Ships & Modules

As I recall the changes to lasers and projectiles had negligable effect on most T2 fits but made T1 builds a little more viable - improving access to the class (which is exactly what you would expect with a "newbie-friendly" T3). They were applied across the board because they were consistent across the board.
The equivalent would be something like "all short-range missile systems have had their explosion radius reduced by 5% and the Precision munitions... have remained exactly the same" except that people aren't saying that it's impossible to fly a Crow or Hookbill (for example) without Precisions in the same way as they do for the Slicer and Scorch.


Torp Range/Application:
Torps are already a very long ranged short-range/high-damage weapon system - perhaps that range should be reduced? Application on Torps against moving targets is lackluster but to keep things vaguely balanced range or damage would have to go to compensate.

Heavy Missiles:
Heavies were hit a little too hard - but they were hidieously overpowered before. The question is whether their range is currently OK (which would suggest an improvement in damage and/or application), whether their damage/application is currently OK (if so, they could handle more range). Perhaps there's a third way but it would have to be approached exceedingly carefully...

General missile speed:
Delayed damage again?

Kinetic locks:
They aren't a thing.
You are entirely free to use non-kinetic missiles on any ship.
Your choice has consequences similar to those of an Abaddon fitting Rails except that you can just switch out ammo...
Kinetic ship bonuses, even as strong as those on the Drake do not prevent you from switching to EM if you think (or know) you'll do more damage that way; besides which Kinetic is a useful, generalist damage type and some Caldari ships get huge amounts of it.

Something new???
Cruise missile void bombs? A Neut you can apply from 200km and uses no capacitor? Seriously?

Heavies need more volley. Torps could get some more range, just a tiny bit. They're meant for engaging other battleships. Kinetic lock is... situational. Caldari ships getting thermal/kinetic across the board where damage locks exist would be nice.

Honestly there really is no easy answer to the missile question. It's probably sitting in the 'too hard basket'. I do agree that sentry drones need more attention (even though contextually heavy drones are 30% more powerful)

One idea I've thought of is having missiles as a secondary weapon system for advanced pilots. All boats become gunboats and missile boats become gunboats with one or two extremely powerful launchers, used as very OP bonus weapons.

I agree



I disagree.

What you have to keep in mind is that missiles are the only weapon system where you can decrease the maximum range by flying from them.
And the damage isn't instant like on guns or sentries - it has to go there first and can be negated by a medium smartbomb but since nobody uses them because people are in dire need of that IWIN mod to mask their incompetence.

Exactly, it's only caldari that are the outliers. One would have expected kin/therm to match hybrids...but they didn't.

Kin/therm is ok, but I'd like to see it switched up a little all the same

Need to have stronger TP bonus!
A max boosted, bonused, linked meta 9 TP have 60,5+90km range with 99.86625% Sig radius bonus (heated)
A max boosted, bonused, linked meta 9 web (True Sansha) have 104.9km optimal and -55% speed bonus (heated), Fed Navy have 97.9km heated range and -60% speed
T2 max boosted, bonused, linkted web have 69.9km optimal and -60% speed bonus (heated)

Unheated numbers would be 60.5+90km TP with 83.221875% signature (Domination TP), 75.65625% signature (T2)
While web get -55% speed at 80.7km (TS), -60% speed at 75.3km(FN) and -60% at 53.8km (T2)


A single web will ALWAYS do more for tracking than any TP, the worst web give -50% speed and you would need +100% signature to make up for that (can not get a TP to do that). While web can still reach out to almost 100km, or if you just use T2 web its still longer optimal than a TP with a much stronger bonus.

We need some extreme TP bonus like the Vindi get for web, 1000% signature (equal to -90% speed for tracking) would never be accpted but maybe 2-300% should be doable

EDIT: my link pilot didnt use implant for the numbers, updated :)

How often do people use Rigor or Flare rigs on PvP missile boats?

I use them on a few different ships. Use em on my bellicose and RHML phoon. RHML missile phoon with TP, x2 webs and a rigor obliterates everything except maybe other BS. Killed quite a few 10mn ab t3ds with it too. Also able to 2-3 shot cocky slicers and tristan pilots that try and do fly bys.

Lol, drones are the meta for a long now. Ishtars online. Domi blobs. Gurista 300%. Even in lowsec most common ships are droneboats.

On a related note, Missile Guidance Enhancer (and Computer w/Scripts) placeholder on Sisi.