Ships & Modules

dont see how you think you can win on a ship which can dictate range and project more dps at that range ... at best you could only make me warp off which isnt going to happen. and only way you will survive is by fitting a active repper and rails which would not be applicable in real pvp scenario's

and hence the problem with gallente is obvious ... blaster dont project dmg far enough and they cant get into range good enough

ohhh someones mad ... lol

low sec is the stupidest place to do a 1v1 test cause anyone can interfere.

but next time i come thru there ill be sure to drop a thorax in the belt for you so you can test your brutix fit on it like in your blog rofl

forum warrior you may be .... but real warrior you are not.

So this is you realizing that you were wrong when you said a nano Drake would take a Proteus?

-Liang

5000 quatloos on Liang.


edit: I'd actually love to see this fight happening - I'd offer acting as a referree fleeting with both participants to avoid alt-boosting, act as an anchor and paying 100 mill to the winner. PM if interested.

1. using my experience, that may or may not be extensive, i am quite sure we shouldn´t try to make blasters a viable close range weapon, because they don´t have the potential to become that. Minmatar and ACs are far better suited for that. Give them the Blaster buff instead and they are perfect in close combat. Now just crank up their speed some and they are fast enough for fleetfights. They don´t even need more EHP because when they are fast enough, they probably can speedtank on their way to the target. Of course, ACs would also need to become short range weapons, but they would pretty much shine in that role.

2. yeah, quite some narrow niches we have:
projectiles: all of pvp and all of pve,
Lasers: all of pvp and all of pve
Missiles: all of pvp and all of pve
Drones: much of pve (no sleepers and some missions), all of pvp (but as extras because most ships can field some anyway, not as main weapons)
Hybrids:...............................................they can be used in pve if you don´t mind needing an order of magnitude more time ......................... in pvp frigs and capitals..... stationcamping... suicideganking... .... ....
clearly everyone is heavily restricted by severe limits of what he can do with his weapons, it´s not that just the hybrids got the short end of the stick... oh, wait....

3. Oh, i have another idea: design the stuff for the purpose they should actually serve. they might work then without tons of crutches (webs/damps/nanos) that get kicked away or tons of preparations and tactics that gets screwed up as soon as the enemy does something you didn´t account for (he likes to do that, this is why he is called the enemy). It would be fine if everyone had to put up with that, but since only one system is requiring so much attention to detail with so little reward to show for it....

4. well, let me tell you about a nasty little surprise that will come if blasterboats will ever have the opportunity to enter bigger fights (if the getting in range fast enough-problem gets ever solved). A halfway competent FC will notice that blasterboats are becoming a thing and he will simply change the fleet composition to more ships capable of neuting and maybe even dedicated neutships... whatever has proven more effective in the testing beforehand. So anything requiring cap for weapons and closing in on such a fleet will get completely capped out permanently... because a fleet can and will gang up on you and your gang. They don´t even need to waste shots on the blasterboats anymore, they can continue shooting at more dangerous targets. The blasters are effectively taken out of the fight anyway and the idea of using close combat in fleets will die... again. Now think a second and guess if that will happen if the weapons of the attackers don´t need cap? I wouldn´t even try as an FC, it´s only worth it if it becomes a thing and there are enough ships trying to get close and if their weapons can be shut down like this. You see, capless weapons aren´t an issue right now, but this is because close combat in bigger engagements aren´t an issue. If it becomes viable there, capless weapons becomes indispensable for keeping it viable.

5. Indeed, and if the answer to the question: what is the right ship? would be "Gallente stuff" now and again we would have some more variety in the game now, wouldn´t we?

Nope, i just have a job and couldn´t get online for a while. I did explain to you after i came back what i meant but obviously you didn´t read it.

Basic design is stuff like giving a wizard the ability to cast spells or a warrior the ability to use weapons and armor. Basically all the things that define your role. After that is finished you look how much hp and damage would make sense for the role. This is why such stats are secondary and not part of the basic design. They don´t define the role, give a wizard double the hp and damage and he still wont become a warrior, this is decided by his ability to cast spells and inability to use weapons and armor.
Of course having more (or less) hp and damage makes more sense for certain roles than for others, so they do matter and you have to balance them properly, but at first you have to make sure your basic design is fitting the role, adjustments to the stats comes afterward.

Leaving that analogy and looking at eve, this is of course not different here. As a dev you decide which tactic a race should specialize in, then you look what problems comes with applying that tactic and then you design the ships and weapons in a way that they are uniquely able to overcome these problems so they can fight effectively using that tactic. So up until now you have taken care of the basic design. After that you decide how much ehp and dps and all the other stats should be to make sense and adjust them to finish the balancing.
Well, this is how it should have been anyway... because somehow from the point where it has been decided that the Gallente should become brawlers to the point where you begin with the adjustments of the stats for balancing the whole basic design stuff apparently didn´t happen (only with the Gallente, though). They have basically no distinctive features aside from the fact that they are the only ones having no advantageous features regarding basic design... something like this is actually quite common when you want to create a generalist, giving a fraction no advantages but the most flexibility is a proven and tested concept after all.
But they were thrown at the most difficult and restricted combat style there is in the game, that does require also the most advantages in basic design to balance out the restrictions and difficulties imposed by the tactic. But they don´t have them, the workarounds to the problems the players created (damps/webs/nanos) were nerfed to ineffectiveness so they were pushed back into a few niches where the circumstances can be used as workaround to the limitations of close combat. And EHP and DPS and such will not change that, you can´t substitute basic design with tweaking of secondary stats, that works as well as my example with giving the wizard more hp to make him a warrior: rather bad. Of course, you could use the method of the lazy and just make one stat ridiculously high, so that no disadvantage can be high enough to balance that out. But this usually causes other balancing issues, sometimes even making things worse.

So you see, you need to rework the basic design, if you want to fix Gallente, i´m proposing Minmatar just because that would be a faster and easier solution with really good results, because their basic design fits brawling and only minor adjustments to the stats would be necessary and Gallente themselves could also be fixed faster and easier. And if you insist on Gallente and Minmatar keeping their respective roles, that requires a ton of work and it will be a PITA because at least some stuff you need is already handed over to the Minmatar... well i suppose thats not your problem, you don´t have to pull it off, after all.

Giving what you don´t know about Development and Design you really shouldn´t call others morons and such... unless you fancy the irony of course....

You keep saying that, but you're totally wrong. In fact, the statement is so laughable that I'm beginning to wonder if you even play Eve? Consider Gallente vs Minmatar, Gallente vs Amarr, and Gallente vs Caldari. What you should come away with is that Gallente ships come with much higher DPS, better application of that DPS at close range, "medium" tanks (whether shield or armor), second best mobility, and the best drone bay (for utility or DPS - your choice).

Pretty much your prototypical MDPS adjusted for Eve's mechanics.

-Liang

Part of me wants to tell you to give up.

Some ppl best to ignore.. either by lack of experince, NO experince, or just being dumb asses in either fitting or piloting.. they simply will never get it no matter how many words are bounced off their foreheads. The age of the easy mode.. drakes/canes, has made ppl soft, and newbs even softer to the full landscape out there. That may be the biggest problem of all. Idealogy. Heres a hint ppl.. one lone web drone can make a difference.. simply manually pilot your ass so the kiter flies right into the drone instead of making the slow drone chase the kiter.. swoop in and full tackle and melt. Thats just the tip of the iceberg of counters against AC/kiters. So shuttup n go learn something ppl!

Anyway.. back to Liang..

Keep on fighting the fight of diversity! things are better now without being vanilla land. I fear the age when some of these idiots get their way.. and 'jedi are made easier to obtain'. That scenario ended so well..

Nobody uses them because of.. like I said.. Idealogy. And yeah, they eat too much space, bandwidth and are slow. And ppl are idiots with them, sending while chasing the target.. instead of making the kiter FLY INTO THE DRONE. Think of them like this.. you're 25% faster without needing to be in web range.. what does blasters or a rail-kiter boat need? More 'speed'.

Winmatar isn't 'win'matar. It is merely an 'easy mode' of click alpha switch to secondary.. and 'my ship is faster, watch my scout alt land me in the right spot to click orbit, fire and take a nap out of full tackle range'. In the grand scheme of things.. the other three races have a ship(s) that ultimately do a specific role better than a matar ship.. in just about everything. Is that really winning? Matar are so Betty Crocker.

You're one of those ppl on here that really should post less.. and actually play the game more. I have high doubts about your actual abilities to pilot/ship fit for even the most basic of pvp settings.

naomi Knight's RPing crapitartude aside, where is this bullschnitzel about web drones coming from? Have any of you ever used web drones in combat? It goes like this;
Launch web drone.
Web drone toddles toward target...and webs to target.
Web drone then slows down when it enters orbit of its slowed-down target, presenting a giant "shoot me"
Enemy shoots at the slow web drone which has very little transversal
Web drone is dead
You go buy a new ship, because your gambit was bullschnitzel weaksauce and you are down a flight of Warrior II's in DPS or Hornet EC's for LOLECM.

if you use 5 web drones its even more stupid because of the stacking nerf rendering 4 of them basically useless and the first one being useless anyway.

Web drones are not going to help Gallente blaster boats out-DPS anything. They are, even now, completely freaking useless versus the ships they should be useful against - namely the Minmatar and Angel pirate faction ships...which just outfly them and can shoot them down with impunity with their guns.