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Mining needs a make over

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Aminari Talar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-31 05:30:23 UTC
Greetings,

I'm a long time pvp in eve, and i was looking at mining in the game (via my recent return). I find this system to be extremely Dry, repetitive, and overly Dull. I'd like to make a few recommendations .

New Mining System
Anchor a "Drill" that mines automatically. (it sort of works like huge mining drill with a beam).
After a Duration (OR) Indefinite mining cycle.
Give the drill an Ore Hold (10,000,000m3)
Drills Mine Extremely fast (at rates equal to 5 exhumers)
Drills can be used on all types of Ore, Ice, Gas But has a specialized drill built for each type (1 basic ore, 1 adv ore, 1 ice, 1 gas).

New Mechanic
Drills Summon Rats In waves. They progressively get harder (up to 5 battleships).
At Battleship spawns, you will continue to cycle new BS Waves.

Ore Spawns
Create a new system that mining causes the asteroid to "leak" minerals on the opposite or random side of the asteroid for x seconds. This would encourage miners to orbit in some way so they can pick up "bonus" minerals or ore.

Benefits
Haulers become valuable in the ore mining option's again
Achoring has new flavor
Mining has new flavor





James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#2 - 2015-05-31 05:42:34 UTC
No. This obsoletes every miner in existence all at once.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#3 - 2015-05-31 06:45:55 UTC
The deployable drill has been proposed regularly but makes every miners skills and ships useless, so -1 for that. Miners need a overall in gameplay but these have been proposed in different ways of mining ores (second link in my signature, comet mining or planet rings), you'd be better looking at those instead.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#4 - 2015-05-31 07:09:15 UTC
Ofcourse then there is always the problem that while mining is boring as balls it is "someone elses eve" Like i know guys who do NOTHING BUT MINING and who thoroughly enjoy it (i dont know how or why but they love it) and i am loathe to tell them how to play their eve...

I wouldnt much like them telling me how to play my eve either...

That said this idea is terrible...
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2015-05-31 09:03:14 UTC
No. You are not by chance, one of Deep Nine's alts are you?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2015-05-31 19:23:33 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
No. You are not by chance, one of Deep Nine's alts are you?

Think you may have this one pegged.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#7 - 2015-06-01 13:55:06 UTC
Surprised that no one has mentioned this so I will.

Seems more like an anti-gank idea than a general improvement to mining that is badly needed so -1.
Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2015-06-01 14:38:54 UTC
Why we cannot make raids on Minmatar planets , take slaves and put them to mining barges , to work for us until some gang free them from their misery using some hard plated ammo? Roll
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#9 - 2015-06-02 02:07:14 UTC
I should really make this my signature. There is nothing wrong with mining as it is now. If you make the entire game about pew, pewing you hurt the game fundamentally as you take away game playing styles because YOU don't like mining. The solution to the problem you are having is you are playing part of the game you obviously don't like. You sound as though missioning or some similar activity would better suit your personality.

Oh and your mega drill would 'drill' ore prices down to like .0000000001 ISK per tritanium.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-06-02 02:16:56 UTC
This is a good example of combat guy have looked at industry.

I wonder what would mining guy would suggest as a counter proposal - an afk Titan shooting (drill) left and right into enemies?

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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#11 - 2015-06-02 08:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: FireFrenzy
I can assure you i am noones alt... Hell for the first 6 years i played eve i didnt even HAVE an alt:) Then we needed a new off grid booster and i was all "ugh sure" and that's the one i alt i have :)

Edit Ask Baboli he knows me irl:)
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#12 - 2015-06-02 10:22:24 UTC
Mine Drilling Drones would be great for the Orca as it could act as a stand alone mining ship itself. Each Mine Drilling Drone would be the size of a Large Combat Drone and yield double the amount of ore as a normal T1 Mining would with a mining cycle maybe 25% of a Venture mining frigate.

Mine Drilling Drones would be able to only be used by the Orca without bonuses or with a new type of mining ship similar to the Orca but with bonuses for the Mine Drilling Drone.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#13 - 2015-06-02 10:36:54 UTC
So a drill that after a time has 40 BS, 20 cruisers and 10 elite frigs sitting on it, none of them give bounties and they're incursion level?

Sounds good. Talk about a useless structure.
Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-06-02 11:18:57 UTC
so he wants AFK mining while doing combat?
Captain Zac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-06-06 16:13:50 UTC
[quote=Aminari Talar]Greetings,

I'm a long time pvp in eve, and i was looking at mining in the game (via my recent return). I find this system to be extremely Dry, repetitive, and overly Dull. I'd like to make a few recommendations .

New Mining System
Anchor a "Drill" that mines automatically. (it sort of works like huge mining drill with a beam).
After a Duration (OR) Indefinite mining cycle.
Give the drill an Ore Hold (10,000,000m3)
Drills Mine Extremely fast (at rates equal to 5 exhumers)
Drills can be used on all types of Ore, Ice, Gas But has a specialized drill built for each type (1 basic ore, 1 adv ore, 1 ice, 1 gas).

New Mechanic
Drills Summon Rats In waves. They progressively get harder (up to 5 battleships).
At Battleship spawns, you will continue to cycle new BS Waves.

Ore Spawns
Create a new system that mining causes the asteroid to "leak" minerals on the opposite or random side of the asteroid for x seconds. This would encourage miners to orbit in some way so they can pick up "bonus" minerals or ore.

Benefits
Haulers become valuable in the ore mining option's again
Achoring has new flavor
Mining has new flavor





as a miner i have to agree with his observation. mining is mind numbingly boring.. mining by itself doesn't take alot of skill points but by the time you factor in refining skills command skills and the drone skills and the constant upgrading of your all-round support skills like engineering, electronics, armour ect. a considerable amount of training is invested. and with that training also comes a considerable amount of isk invested in ships and equipment to mine more and mine efficiently. and the player just sits in the same place mining for hours not moving.. its ridicules. someone stated that the mining drill platforms will make all miners obsolete but that is total bull crap. you would still need all your skills if you replaced your ships with mining platforms. and its not like they would mine 24 hours straight you would have to watch them. anyway i defiantly believe that the time just floating in space watching your strip miner cycle tick over and over could be better utilised. also id like to point out that even with multiple accounts mining isnt as well paying as other ways of making isk in the game that require more draconian and fun methods. i guess what im saying is that in the future where pilots fly ships in space one would assume that technology would do alot more.. automated.
Iain Cariaba
#16 - 2015-06-06 17:21:18 UTC
Captain Zac wrote:
solid wall of non formatted text

I'm sorry, I didn't bother to read what you said due to lack of formatting, lousy sentence structure, and atrocious spelling.

Please use paragraphs, and at the very least run your currently incoherent babble through a basic spell check.
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-06-06 18:31:26 UTC
Mining IS boring, but its something you can do semi afk or multibox many account (up to the point is just as hard/engaging as any other pve)

If you change mining from boring semi afk to "sit at screen doing something all the time" you will loose all the multiboxed accounts and most of the semi afk miners. 2x mining yield and no afk/multibox would still mean prices sky rocket
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-06-06 19:32:30 UTC
I tried to read through the idea with an open mind, but I can't support this.

Rather than a revamp, mining needs new options and sub professions, preferably utilizing the existing ships, and requiring completely new fits. Keep the old, and introduce the new, followed by balancing.

Rewarding "at the keyboard" players and attempt to make it unbottable would be a massive plus.

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#19 - 2015-06-06 23:53:42 UTC
You want automatic mining into a 10 million m3 orehold.

Well there you have it, gentlemen. The most outrageous mining idea in the history of EVE forums.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2015-06-07 00:22:30 UTC
Zimmer Jones wrote:
I tried to read through the idea with an open mind, but I can't support this.

Rather than a revamp, mining needs new options and sub professions, preferably utilizing the existing ships, and requiring completely new fits. Keep the old, and introduce the new, followed by balancing.

Rewarding "at the keyboard" players and attempt to make it unbottable would be a massive plus.


The problem with this is that in the end....mining is almost surely going to be boring. Lets restate the problem a bit:

How to make filling up your ore hold fun!

I submit that that problem may not have a viable solution for your average player.

I don't know about most people playing this game, but when I mine...I do it semi-afk when working from home. Because it is boring.

I don't think adding a mini-game will make it anymore exciting than the video games of the early 1980s. I know guys! Mining will be awesome if we have people play missile command before they can fill their ore hold!!!. OMG, you are so right I'm logging in NOW!!!! Yeah, no.

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