Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well see the problem is you're not looking at the entire picture.

Sure you can fit the drones easier but you're unable to overheat them or use implants to increase effectiveness. Your dps is also left hanging out in the open to be shot off the field (which in some situations can be a positive).

What you're stating is one of the positives that helps to counter the negatives.


EDIT : I have no issues fitting large long range guns on most of my fits without fitting mods. So I'm curious what you're trying to do that requires fitting mods.

Are you trying to fit those with a double plate fit?


I've already said the ishtar needs nerfed. Pretty indicative that I have no answer to your request about finding a ship and fit.

I've never tried to kill 100 sentries in one sitting but I have had to kill 5 or so at a time. So it's clear you're talking from the perspective of a medium to large fleet pilot. As a solo and small fleet person I see things a bit differently these days. I actually dig the ishtar for doing stuff in "dangerous" areas.

Here is where I have to point out it's a tactical problem.

Sniping is a joke because of probing? How are they warping to you with sentries out? How are they instantly deploying sentries in a dispersed pattern after warping to you while tackling so you don't just microjump or warp away? Every post I see seems to assume More enemies than allies (change your tactics), flying into a prepared battlefield of dispersed drones that can't be bombed (are you trying to lose?), insisting on ships using short range weapons for the higher dps, and then complaining that you are being kitted(duh)by ships that have a limited sphere of engagement as if you had nothing different you could do.

Stop engaging the Ishtar. It's harmless if you kill the sentries which just are not that tough. If you are being kitted in scrambler range maybe it's time to look at flying a different way.

The reason the Ishtar is so tough is because it's forcing a change in how battles are fought. The tactics that will work against them mean you will lose against traditional setups. It's kinda like rock paper scissors, instead of rock, bigger rock, yet more rocks.

The loki got nerfed In what way?

H. Beam zealot comes medium close. Every fit I found for it that matched damage and range either had cap or tank issues though.

And get dunked hard when Ishtars bum rush them and drop curators. The zealots evaporated when we did this.

Yet you can use their attack on a strategic objective to your advantage. You don't have to fly into their engagement envelope, there are ships that outrange it. If you are forcing the Ishtars to move from where they set up, you are depleting a very limited resource.

I'm not claiming to be the Sun Tzu of EVE. I just have difficulty accepting that a little extra tracking on a sentry drone turns it from a joke to overpowered, and that the only options for drones are to either reduce them to near uselessness or make them broken strong.

Every encounter against Ishtars I hear is claiming that they are doing several things simultaneously that are mutually exclusive. Some of that is allowed for in the nature of Sentry drones, and some is not. For one, I don't see as how targeting the sentries themselves can be totally off the table. That Ishtar may have 90% Kin resist, but sure as heck the drones don't. As far as I recall, you can microjump in bubbles. You also don't have to equip your whole fleet with the same weapons. It gets more ridiculous the more people you assume are defending the POS. Ishtar is a one trick pony and if you fight it outside it's comfort zone it will lose.

Regardless... If the problem is the Ishtar, deal with that. Don't cripple the weapon system so that it only works on the one ship everyone is complaining about.

Last night on Fintarue's stream people were complaining that light drones were OP because instead of shooting the drones that were on top of them they chose to chase the Tristan that was kiting them from 120km away.


rabble rabble....nerf drones.

"Minor decrease".

People don't seem to play the game, and when they do they play in Ishtars, Gilas, Rattlesnakes.

Drones in PvP have become what missiles were/are in PvE, but only for brain-dead & OP-broken PvP.

Regarding Garde II sentries:

1) Base tracking is 0.036 rad/sec.
2) A 425mm Railgun II has 0.01 rad/sec base tracking!

That's 3.6 times less, and with Javelin L T2 ammo, it's 0.01 * 1.25 = 0.0125 rad/sec.

Thanks for the laugh!

The contempt you show for your customer base in your agenda for Nomalising and collectivism must be hemoraging your player base.