Crime & Punishment

I think this should be a thing as soon as NPC corps become vulnerable to wardecs and wardecs follow people for the duration that was left paid on the Dec. This way nobody can escape the effects.

In short I to wish to propose inflammatory unrealistic content on the wrong forum for the express purpose of trolling

OGB going suspect would just mean everyone would go back to flying T3s instead of command ships. They would go to safe, uncloak for boosts, then cloak up as soon as they weren't needed - just like everywhere else.

Neutral RR going criminal would just mean people would jump them in and out of alliance whenever they needed them. Worst case they stay in alliance permanently. Either case, they're still in use and all you removed was the advantage neutral logi provides to people who don't pay attention/mark known alts.

In both cases, your actual impact is almost zero.

All this would result in is people having more OGB characters and scouts, which they would cycle through as they were dec'd. Logi would probably just stay in alliance, which doesn't really hurt the merc/pvp groups (outside of the first engagement, or against idiots).

1. On kb, sure they were in the fight so why not.
2. Sure. If they help, they should be wonkable.
3. Concord intervention - just no. Boosting is a legit game mechanic. Bring them into the fight and make them wonkable, but having concord do you work for you is a big NO GO.
4. It wouldn't kill 90% of leet pvp in HS. They will be put on gates, in stations and in safe spots. Command ships have crazy tanks and can last out an agression timer in most cases. The adaption process would be quite simple.

Taking them from off grid to on grid (I'm surprised you didn't prattle about that) would be a big game changer. You'd force them to give up some boosting abilities to fit a sturdy tank. Right now the combat immune boosters have very weak to zero tank and provide 6 or so boosts. On grid would just mean they have a tank and you use 3 tanked boosters instead of 1 untanked booster.

I'd like to see them on grid and able to be engaged personally.

Here's a typical fit now in the off grid mode: https://zkillboard.com/kill/41310469/ (this guy was orbitting a POS, but we were able to take it down before the guns were able to get a lock on us. )

Obviously bringing them on grid would change things up a bit.

I never meant boosters becoming concordable, just the neutral RR ships that start repairing a ship that is in a fight.

I never mentioned about boosters becoming an on grid because that would for now be very bad for mostly null sec since they would most surely be primed which would result in them not being used for the most of the bigger engagements, unless CCP decides to give supers the links then I wouldn't see any problems of boosters boosting only ships that are on grid with them.

That would close the loophole.

The more important point here is why you want concord to do the work for you, when neutral logi can already be engaged by everyone. More importantly, having logi forced into alliance doesn't help you, as a defender - it actually just makes it more difficult for you to deal with them, since neutrals can't assist you.

From the recent engagements between bigger alliances nowhere was a titan used as a booster. If the changes to boosters comes by having them be on grid to provide boosts null sec has the ability to field titans but doubt they would use them for that role. Maybe with the upcoming changes to super capitals they plan on making them something to fill a booster role but until then t3 and CS will continue to be more prudent, especially with the phoebe jump changes in effect.

Yes you are probably right, making it concordable would perhaps be to much. Just adding them both to kbs would solve the problem most likely.

OGB has a direct influence to the outcome of the fight and is a force multiplier and is giving those links to a target actively engaged in combat same as a RR ship giving his reps thus can be tagged as suspect in order to add risk to people that use them as neutral boosters.

Scouts or neutral haulers don't influence the fight and can't be considered force multipliers.

Intel is valuable tool however doesn't affect the fight once the fight is started. OGB is actively participating in the fight and can be the difference between the fight being won or lost with no risk.

I don't have any issues as how hs is currently working, and you shouldnt make everybody vulnerable to wars cause that is just wrong on so many levels but that is not the topic and I'm not interested in that.

The questions I'm asking revolve around usage risk free OGB and neutral logistics to see opinions of the community that frequents this section of the forums cause in a sense it affects them probably the most.

The biggest difference is that OGB:

A) Have a far more easily measured impact.
B) Are far more easily tweaked.

Intel is extremely valuable in every situation, but there is no easy way to really impact the ability to gather information that doesn't have other far-reaching and often bad implications (ie removing local). OGB can be easily impacted by giving them suspect for neutral boosts and/or forcing them on grid (250km boost range?), without making them entirely irrelevant. I'm not convinced that boosts are really a problem though, particularly in HS.

As far as RR goes, I've already made the point that GCC for them is extremely questionable and that doing so will hurt the groups who can't deal with RR more than anything.