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GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#21 - 2015-06-01 11:29:07 UTC
TLDR for people who dont like to read.

Don't share passwords and logins, Check

Corps mates only know how to **** fit, Check

No one left to shoot because all content evicted, Check

Evictions back to back are boring and soul draining, CHECK

Something something RMT, CHECK

Running a successful eve PVP corp requires no life outside of eve, CHECK
Tammy Igunen
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-06-01 11:31:35 UTC
Atleast this confirms their account sharing for CCP. And their petition for 500B is terminated.
CCP informed ....
Winthorp
#23 - 2015-06-01 11:48:21 UTC
Blizzaro wrote:
Bring on the mass unsubs you mean


I agree and this is why nothing will be done, even though the 500b should be lost to them and full investigations and bans happen.

It has become accepted practice that this "white lie" of EULA breaking for account sharing has become ok. And it is SOP for some groups in the light of day to CCP ignorance on it.

But w/e.
Sabbelsahra
HaHa Hab dich
#24 - 2015-06-01 11:55:23 UTC
*mimimi* oh mum they stole all my stuff because i share my account...

so stupid

go back to hello kitty online plx.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#25 - 2015-06-01 11:58:16 UTC
Quote:
well have another meeting 5th of May.

Also, I don't really think people read the translation. They're just carrying on. This is a month old. Seems as if the ISK was already returned.
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#26 - 2015-06-01 12:13:08 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Blizzaro wrote:
Bring on the mass unsubs you mean


I agree and this is why nothing will be done, even though the 500b should be lost to them and full investigations and bans happen.

It has become accepted practice that this "white lie" of EULA breaking for account sharing has become ok. And it is SOP for some groups in the light of day to CCP ignorance on it.

But w/e.


Imho it would be much more damaging if CCP took a lax stand on this issue (and if they already do, as you're implying, they ought to rethink their position).

See for example, my corp mates and I are close RL friends that know each other from way before EVE, that's 100% trust. If CCP didn't do anything about account sharing, we could as well optimize some stuff. 10 subscriptions would simply go poof right there.
Blizzaro
Vahalla La
Rainbow Knights
#27 - 2015-06-01 12:14:43 UTC
Tammy Igunen wrote:
Atleast this confirms their account sharing for CCP. And their petition for 500B is terminated.
CCP informed ....


This confirms nothing this could all be faked.
Ridvanson
#28 - 2015-06-01 12:26:35 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Quote:
well have another meeting 5th of May.

Also, I don't really think people read the translation. They're just carrying on. This is a month old. Seems as if the ISK was already returned.


Doesn't make it right though, does it?

Forget account sharing, what's that about "our rentners making dank RMT". Some would call what Qex & co. are doing aiding and abetting. I mean, no one can expect the landlord to actually control that kind of stuff, how would they. But if one knows about it, why help make it happen?

And all of that for 40b isk in (weekly? monthly?) "taxes", seriously wtf? I almost crapped myself when I read that number.

If the translation is accurate, this is the final proof that Qex and everyone and everything associated with them is a fcking cancer upon wormhole space.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#29 - 2015-06-01 12:27:59 UTC
Krios Arody wrote:


MaxDEL:

This leads to situations where instead of 1600 plate people put in 800 plate. Instead of kinetic adaptive people put in a explosive. And so on.

MaxDEL:

We all remember the funny kill mails. All the assets that were stolen were not for me to feel like a magnate. They were stored so members could not use them properly. I don’t care if they would be on your accounts. Its just that 95% of EVE players don’t know how to fit a ship. They don’t understand what ammo to use against different targets. This is a member problem. This is why it all was stored there and was given out.


AHAHAHA
So you first put people in your corp slightly above the skill lvl of the average russian lvl4 mission bot and then complain that you have nobody besides you to create content and take care of ****:

Krios Arody wrote:


HicksNT:

Ill tell you what that means. You log in 8am and scan down home system. Create the bookmarks. Scan down the chain and find all the K-space connections. You start collapsing the holes. You log in an Orca and a Moros and keep rolling them holes. You have at your disposal from 5-30 ppl at all times. They sit and wait for you to find something in the static. If you find something your job is to turn that something into a fight. Then you order everyone to press F1. After that you need to get everyone home taking into account the masses of holes so all the capitals will fit. If the hole collapses you have to scan a new route out and a route into home system, bring the stranded fleet back home and after that continue the rolling. That is like the bare minimum so that people stay interested. You have to do this every day. And preferably from 8am to 10pm. That’s about the minimum

MaxDEL:

Plus the constant logistics of ammo, ships and modules. Development of fits and strategy. Communicating with the f*cktards where to strike next.

HicksNT:

You have to live in EVE. I had a job where I could play eve all the time. After that job ended I started living totally in eve. Until CCP broke down mechanics and I found a new job, all I did was eve. After that it ended and I started a real life. Max has more time. He works with computers as admin. He can do his job and live in eve at the same time. If you have a job and family.. max also has a family but that hasn’t slowed him down. It will slow you down. If you want to run all this in EVE, you have to live in EVE. For 2-3 years all I did was wake up, turn on eve and the only breaks I took were to take a dump and eat and sometimes go somewhere over the weekend. And back to EVE. EVE is a life if you want to run a PVP alliance. If you want krab, shoot rocks or look at space then it’s a different story. 2-3h per day is enough. If you want to be good at pvp this has to be your life. That’s about it.


AHAHAHA
You literally deserve to suffer
Its beyond me how whole of wspace would be conquered by a bunch of barely reformed mission krabs.

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NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-06-01 12:52:38 UTC
TurboX3 wrote:
What this says to me, is that MaxDEL is a very good, strong & passionate leader & cares about his corp / alliance & EVE.
But when playing this game for so long we all get to that stage... Have we done everything, is it time to quit?



Pretty much what I got out of it after reading it.

To all the people still complaining about the "renting". Max and QEX have built an empire. It's a sand box... If you want to build something huge and have the power/will to do it then why not?

If you want to form a coalition against the spooky Russians then do it. When the Russian's allies come to aid them don't be surprised! This sandbox game has this thing called "Politics" one of my favorite parts and the most interesting thing in Eve to me.

Spend less time time complaining and being bitter and go do something to make a difference. PvPing is pretty fun if you haven't tried it.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Loki Sotken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-06-01 13:01:46 UTC
Rarely do I agree with NoobMan, but in this he is right. No need to be bitter, the soul of EVE is in it's player generated content. No doubt the logs are shady as **** if real, but QEX have shown themselves competent and built something for themselves, even if others suffered for it.

Politics is a big part of what makes this world, and without conflict, content isn't generated. Good work to QEX for building their empire, and hats off to the little guys this weekend for standing up and playing the game.
Ridvanson
#32 - 2015-06-01 13:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ridvanson
NoobMan wrote:
TurboX3 wrote:
What this says to me, is that MaxDEL is a very good, strong & passionate leader & cares about his corp / alliance & EVE.
But when playing this game for so long we all get to that stage... Have we done everything, is it time to quit?



Pretty much what I got out of it after reading it.

To all the people still complaining about the "renting". Max and QEX have built an empire. It's a sand box... If you want to build something huge and have the power/will to do it then why not?

If you want to form a coalition against the spooky Russians then do it. When the Russian's allies come to aid them don't be surprised! This sandbox game has this thing called "Politics" one of my favorite parts and the most interesting thing in Eve to me.

Spend less time time complaining and being bitter and go do something to make a difference. PvPing is pretty fun if you haven't tried it.


It's a bit funny to see you guys sweet talking these wrong doings (account sharing, facilitating RMT), while you're the first to jump anyone that would suggest a mechanic that aloud people to jump clone into their home systems, because it breaks hole control and lets people save their stuff etc.

What do you think account sharing does? It gives someone manpower he shouldn't have and it lets other people log in for you to save your stuff, when you cannot do it yourself.

Guess there is a double standard for everything. You guys keep fighting the good fight o7

EDIT: Having said that, I don't think MaxDEL is inherently a bad person or anything. He seems to be a great leader by any standard and I even felt bad for him, since he seems to be burnt out pretty badly, not having any fun with this game. This does not make their rule breaking right, however. He should really take a step back and look if there isn't something more fulfilling in this game for him and his crew... After he and everyone else that is involved in account sharing is banned, of course.
NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-06-01 13:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: NoobMan
Ridvanson wrote:


It's a bit funny to see you guys sweet talking these wrong doings (account sharing, facilitating RMT), while you're the first to jump anyone that would suggest a mechanic that aloud people to jump clone into their home systems, because it breaks hole control and lets people save their stuff etc.

What do you think account sharing does? It gives someone manpower he shouldn't have and it lets other people log in for you to save your stuff, when you cannot do it yourself.

Guess there is a double standard for everything. You guys keep fighting the good fight o7


What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text. This thread sounds like a inquisition.

You are referring to what I said about a jump clone module inside a WH and how it should be able to be reinforced or disabled. Seems like something that would match the other game mechanics. I think jumping cloning into a wh would be sweet. As long as there is a counter to it that can be attacked or defended.

People that have been playing ever for years make friendships, and when friends quit eve they give thier friends thier accounts and thier stuff. Speeding on a highway is illegal, but people still do it. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Kelron Renalard
Dishonorable Duel Disturbance
Deepwater Hooligans
#34 - 2015-06-01 13:43:42 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
[quote=Ridvanson]

What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text.


The EULA is the sacred holy text. They are the Rules we alle need to obey. The Rules which are the foundation of our community. The Rules which you signed and promised to obey and if you don't obey them CCP has the obligation to kick you out of the game.
Sten Taxi
No trouble in the midst
B.E.A.R.S.
#35 - 2015-06-01 13:53:32 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
People that have been playing ever for years make friendships, and when friends quit eve they give thier friends thier accounts and thier stuff. Speeding on a highway is illegal, but people still do it. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.


Seems maxDEL and his band of elite ~800mm warriors~ tried speeding on highways one time too many, now these accounts should get banned, if the evidence turns out to be legitimate.
TrippleHead
Quantum Explosion
#36 - 2015-06-01 13:55:40 UTC
Kelron Renalard wrote:
NoobMan wrote:
[quote=Ridvanson]

What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text.


The EULA is the sacred holy text. They are the Rules we alle need to obey. The Rules which are the foundation of our community. The Rules which you signed and promised to obey and if you don't obey them CCP has the obligation to kick you out of the game.




just QEX of all time made the game content is more than the developers themselves (this is my personal opinion) - start from murder crabs by shield capitals (now all fly on our fits and use refit), small capital fights ... We organized the first biggest fight in the history of W-Space, organized a mass evictions. Last year, our achievements are not so large (compared to LZHKs and HK, because everything depends on one person - MaxDEL). But I think the theft of password character is not a crime to developers burned only Russian PVP-active corporation in the game
muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-06-01 14:00:25 UTC
It's possible for good pvp groups to still live in c5/c6 space. The groups that have been forced out over the last 6 months are just primarily krabs with a side helping of PVP and we are better off without them. There are still lots of groups willing to brave the elements and the risks. If there isn't a chance for QEX/HK/LZHK invading you, where is the fun in that? There is no fun without risk.

We all work with the game mechanics we are given, and this honestly is the natural progression of wspace. Large groups need income, and theres lots of income sources from wspace. Renting income is actually very little isk compared to other methods, it takes advantage of your reputation for a price. Theres nothing wrong with it as long as you are fine with less targets yourself.

In the end people should be thanking qex for making wspace more interesting. Without them, and without the other leaders high class wspace as a whole would be a mess full of carebears doing very little large scale content.

"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Khun Maa
The One Percentile
#38 - 2015-06-01 14:01:45 UTC
QEX account shares and get 500b stolen - hahahahaha

Trying to come up with a plan to get assets back by threatening to quit - hahahahahahahahahhaahhahahaahahahhahahahahaha

what a bunch of sad people
Carlos Agathon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-06-01 14:03:59 UTC
TrippleHead wrote:
But I think the theft of password character is not a crime to developers burned only Russian PVP-active corporation in the game


Would it be considered burglary if I hand you the key to my house?

What has your nationality and playstyle got to do with CCP enforcing their EULA?
Rosal Milag
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-06-01 14:25:38 UTC
And what happens if the theft was done by a trusted member of the Corp? Why would theft by account sharing be any less overlooked than director level theft? If they are account sharing, ban the accounts involved. Thief and victim. If it was a hack, reimburse. From what has been described, as far as CCP knows, Max could have transfered the assets to someone and 'claimed' theft.