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GCC and no more refitting in hisec space [Carnyx]

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Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#161 - 2015-05-31 21:06:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:

Why would that be, because you ran out of arguments or because you actually have a case?


Because you are arguing from a position of total ignorance, willing ignorance at that.

Magnus Roden wrote:
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.



You lie.


No, I don't. You just have to be good at it. Which, given how most ppl rely on numbers and friends to hide behind, is not for everyone.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2015-05-31 21:07:58 UTC
I like how Magnus is now saying he has been playing since 2004 and been a badass pirate since 2007.

LOL
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#163 - 2015-05-31 21:12:40 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I like how Magnus is now saying he has been playing since 2004 and been a badass pirate since 2007.

LOL


Yes, clearly it's not possible to change your play style after a few years of playing.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2015-05-31 21:19:17 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I like how Magnus is now saying he has been playing since 2004 and been a badass pirate since 2007.

LOL


Yes, clearly it's not possible to change your play style after a few years of playing.

So are you currently still a badass pirate?
Or now you are a freighter industrial victim then i guess since you said you changed play styles?
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2015-05-31 21:26:11 UTC
The same arguments that High Security space is not enough are still being trotted out by those too ignorant to know otherwise. It is nice to see Tippia back schooling the ignorant.

Magnus Roden: High Security Space is the safest it has been since the servers went online. The amount of time and player coordination it takes to gank a freighter is what provides the balance in the game mechanics. Grabbing one of your Uedema kils on May 29th, there were 14 alts on the km. I would suspect to set up the gank involved another 4/5 alts. The timeframe involved maybe 40 minutes.

Balance is more than isk.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#166 - 2015-05-31 21:26:37 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I like how Magnus is now saying he has been playing since 2004 and been a badass pirate since 2007.

LOL


Yes, clearly it's not possible to change your play style after a few years of playing.

So are you currently still a badass pirate?
Or now you are a freighter industrial victim then i guess since you said you changed play styles?


Why would I have to be a victim of something to ask for changes to it?


Anyway, back on topic.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#167 - 2015-05-31 21:35:00 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
The same arguments that High Security space is not enough are still being trotted out by those too ignorant to know otherwise. It is nice to see Tippia back schooling the ignorant.

Magnus Roden: High Security Space is the safest it has been since the servers went online. The amount of time and player coordination it takes to gank a freighter is what provides the balance in the game mechanics. Grabbing one of your Uedema kils on May 29th, there were 14 alts on the km. I would suspect to set up the gank involved another 4/5 alts. The timeframe involved maybe 40 minutes.

Balance is more than isk.


You are correct on that, I'm not in any way calling against ganking as such. But if people put in all that effort and time, as you put it, and add the cost of the ships involved and THEN are willing to blow it on an empty target, with the ability to do it again real quick, then something is not right. It IS too lop sided.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2015-05-31 21:35:53 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I like how Magnus is now saying he has been playing since 2004 and been a badass pirate since 2007.

LOL


Yes, clearly it's not possible to change your play style after a few years of playing.

So are you currently still a badass pirate?
Or now you are a freighter industrial victim then i guess since you said you changed play styles?


Why would I have to be a victim of something to ask for changes to it?


Anyway, back on topic.



Here is a quick summary of your posting in this thread:
ganking bad
ganking bad
ganking bad
ganking bad
ganking bad
you bad cause you disagree
ganking bad
you bad cause you disagree
you bad cause you disagree
you bad cause you disagree
ganking bad
ganking bad
you bad cause you disagree
i am a elite space pirate
you bad because you don't believe me
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2015-05-31 21:38:10 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
The same arguments that High Security space is not enough are still being trotted out by those too ignorant to know otherwise. It is nice to see Tippia back schooling the ignorant.

Magnus Roden: High Security Space is the safest it has been since the servers went online. The amount of time and player coordination it takes to gank a freighter is what provides the balance in the game mechanics. Grabbing one of your Uedema kils on May 29th, there were 14 alts on the km. I would suspect to set up the gank involved another 4/5 alts. The timeframe involved maybe 40 minutes.

Balance is more than isk.


You are correct on that, I'm not in any way calling against ganking as such. But if people put in all that effort and time, as you put it, and add the cost of the ships involved and THEN are willing to blow it on an empty target, with the ability to do it again real quick, then something is not right. It IS too lop sided.



People put effort into mining their own minerals to build their own ships even though it is easier and cheaper to buy complete ships off of market. Something is not right. We should nerf their ability to mine so easily.

Your logic.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#170 - 2015-05-31 21:46:22 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.



None of those activities are piracy.


Really now, what's your idea of piracy. Being -10?


Attacking shipping and taking their ****. You know, like what pirates do?
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#171 - 2015-05-31 21:57:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.



None of those activities are piracy.


Really now, what's your idea of piracy. Being -10?


Attacking shipping and taking their ****. You know, like what pirates do?


Ransoms at gunpoint and phat lewt if they refuse. Yes that is was I, and others who do this, do.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#172 - 2015-05-31 21:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Roden
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I like how Magnus is now saying he has been playing since 2004 and been a badass pirate since 2007.

LOL


Yes, clearly it's not possible to change your play style after a few years of playing.

So are you currently still a badass pirate?
Or now you are a freighter industrial victim then i guess since you said you changed play styles?


Why would I have to be a victim of something to ask for changes to it?


Anyway, back on topic.



Here is a quick summary of your posting in this thread:
ganking bad
ganking bad
ganking bad
ganking bad
ganking bad
you bad cause you disagree
ganking bad
you bad cause you disagree
you bad cause you disagree
you bad cause you disagree
ganking bad
ganking bad
you bad cause you disagree
i am a elite space pirate
you bad because you don't believe me


I'll agree it looks that way, because "the others" keep regurgitating the same :reasons: and :logic: and try to pummel their adversary into submission by words, semantics and changing of the subject. Ganking is not bad as such, but it is broken.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#173 - 2015-05-31 21:58:59 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:


Ransoms at gunpoint and phat lewt if they refuse. Yes that is was I, and others who do this, do.


Ransoms stopped being a thing in 2006.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#174 - 2015-05-31 22:02:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:


Ransoms at gunpoint and phat lewt if they refuse. Yes that is was I, and others who do this, do.


Ransoms stopped being a thing in 2006.


That's weird, I still do it. If you bring it right CN fitted CNRs will happily pay a decent fee to not blow up, not all of them of obviously but many of them do. It doesn't help of course if you're part of a group known to "not to be trusted".

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#175 - 2015-05-31 22:03:07 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:


I'll agree it looks that way, because "the others" keep regurgitating dumb :reasons: and :logic:. Ganking is not bad as such, but it is broken.


You say its a problem, we point out that out of over a million trips made only a few dozen die to ganks.

You demand tank based upon isk price of the hull I point out this would lead to ships with literally more HP than outposts.

You go on about making lots of isk from activities such as can flipping. An activity that is all but extinct for a few years now as nobody jetcans now.

The only one being dumb here is you. You have yet to say anything that isn't wrong.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#176 - 2015-05-31 22:11:52 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:


That's weird, I still do it


No you don't, you never have. Even when it did work you needed a silver tongue and you simply do not have that. Ransoms ended being a thing back in 2006 when an influx of idiots took up the activity and the groups with a reputation for honouring them broke up/quit.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#177 - 2015-05-31 22:15:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:


That's weird, I still do it


No you don't, you never have. Even when it did work you needed a silver tongue and you simply do not have that. Ransoms ended being a thing back in 2006 when an influx of idiots took up the activity and the groups with a reputation for honouring them broke up/quit.


ok

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#178 - 2015-05-31 23:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Magnus Roden wrote:
I'll agree it looks that way, because "the others" keep regurgitating the same :reasons: and :logic: and try to pummel their adversary into submission by words, semantics and changing of the subject. Ganking is not bad as such, but it is broken.

Prove it.

For bonus points, try proving it without — as you've done on every occasion so far — accidentally pointing to facts that completely disprove your stance.

That is the whole thing you've failed miserably at so far by consistently managing to prove that you have no idea about how ganking works; about how CONCORD works; about how highsec works; about how much ganking happens; about the targets of ganking… or, indeed about anything you ever attempt to say anything about.

We have reason and logic and facts and explicit dev statements. You have nothing but nonsense, lies, feverish dreams, baseless assumptions, and complete ignorance.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#179 - 2015-05-31 23:47:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:


For bonus points, try proving it without — as you've done on every occasion so far — accidentally pointing to facts that completely disprove your stance.


That's the funny part, when you get some emotional thinker who doesn't understand that "I dislike this" does not equal "broken", they grasp at straws and end up disproving themselves to everyone except themselves.


Quote:

We have reason and logic and facts and explicit dev statements. You have nothing but nonsense, lies, feverish dreams, baseless assumptions, and complete ignorance.


No amount of evidence or reason can put a dint in the underlying hatred that fuels false belief. It's just how humans are.
Marsha Mallow
#180 - 2015-05-31 23:50:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
That's weird, I still do it


No you don't, you never have. Even when it did work you needed a silver tongue and you simply do not have that. Ransoms ended being a thing back in 2006 when an influx of idiots took up the activity and the groups with a reputation for honouring them broke up/quit.

Ransoming is still a thing, both in highsec and low. I had 30+ wardecs on my highsec alt alliance, and a lot of them offered to drop the dec for a fee. Pretty sure that counts as ransoming. I didn't pay, but on doing a bit of digging it looked like the established groups who tried it were careful about maintaining a rep for honouring agreements.

A lot of the established lowsec groups I've checked have policies in place for ransoming/honouring 1v1s. Some corps and alliances still state it on their info (even newish ones). The slowdown in reports on people breaking these on C&P looks to be more to do with disengagement from the forums. We ransomed someone a couple of weeks ago for a joke :) But it's technically tricky to do if people are trigger happy, and if you try ransom a pod a lot of people tear out their implants in the meantime.

Haven't read Magnus's earlier remarks, so he may well be talking bollocks. But on this point you appear to be as well.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day