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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#141 - 2015-05-31 19:58:43 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:

Ganking should be a last resort option where the cost and repercussions are so high that it's only logical do to in personal or really worthwhile situations.


That's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2015-05-31 20:03:32 UTC
Magnus please tell us who your mean is so we can see where the bad goons or code touched your indy.

Also i wish you were around in 2010 when gankers would fit a platinum insuranced apocalypse with t2 artillery and alpha billion isk tengus on the undock.

The Falcon punch post clearly states ccps opinion of this. He says you have ways around it, bring friends use your options or HTFU


Also dude wtf is podding gonna help? The ganker will just get teleported back to his gank station.

You are ignorant
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#143 - 2015-05-31 20:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Roden
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No, it really isn't.
CONCORD has no inherent need to pod, and their only purpose is to enforce the cost of aggression.

Why don't they need to pod, because it suits you? I'd say that it would increase the cost of aggression and as a plocing force I'd hope they'd want to rule out criminality as much as they can

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They are not an NPC and do not follow any NPC rules in any way. They are a game mechanic, not a rat.
The are an NPC, you're just trying to get into semantic details by adding "rat" :)

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Why? What is the problem and how does podding in any way solve that problem?

Why should legitimate gameplay be removed?


Clearly cost is still too low, podding helps a bit with that

Just because it's not deemed an exploit doesn't mean it's desired gameplay, lots of things are/were still officially allowed but resulted in adaptation of rules or game mechanics.

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It makes all the sense in the world to let players police players in what is supposed to be a player-driven universe.

Nice try again, given that logic Concord itself should be removed and as it clearly won't be your reasoning doesn't hold.

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Outlaws are already shoot-on-sight/pod-on-sight. Beyond that, CONCORD does not care about outlaws, nor is there any reason why they should since they are completely unrelated to CONCORD's purpose.

Hence me differentiating between police and Concord, you missed that it seems or did you just want to dazzle me with :words:?

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Ganking has long since gone past the point you describe: it only happens in really worth-while situations, as you have proven by demonstrating the rarity and the low number of groups engaging in it. If anything, the costs and repercussions need to be dialled back so that more of them can happen. With the amount of traffic going through down the main routes, there must be far more worth-while situations than what currently shows up on the killboards.
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So you're saying Venture, Retriever and Mackinaw ganks don't happen, (nearly) empty freighter ganks also don't happen? Given that they do, easily proven just not through kb links on this forum, your statement is false.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#144 - 2015-05-31 20:11:52 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:

Ganking should be a last resort option where the cost and repercussions are so high that it's only logical do to in personal or really worthwhile situations.


That's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong.


Yes it's an opinion and as opinions go it can't really be wrong in this regard, it's not to your liking obviously but "wrong"? No.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#145 - 2015-05-31 20:14:21 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Magnus please tell us who your mean is so we can see where the bad goons or code touched your indy.

Also i wish you were around in 2010 when gankers would fit a platinum insuranced apocalypse with t2 artillery and alpha billion isk tengus on the undock.

The Falcon punch post clearly states ccps opinion of this. He says you have ways around it, bring friends use your options or HTFU


Also dude wtf is podding gonna help? The ganker will just get teleported back to his gank station.

You are ignorant


I've been around since 2004, have done ganking and other "nefarious" stuff. Only ship I ever lost to a gank was a gang link Tengu in a mission system which I used to help me do some mission busting. I contacted the ganker and we had a good laugh.

If you don't know how podding will affect it all then uhm, yeah. And by your own words, if it's not really that important why just not change it right?

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#146 - 2015-05-31 20:15:30 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:

Ganking should be a last resort option where the cost and repercussions are so high that it's only logical do to in personal or really worthwhile situations.


That's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong.


Yes it's an opinion and as opinions go it can't really be wrong in this regard, it's not to your liking obviously but "wrong"? No.


Your opinion is wrong, ganking is the only way you get piracy in highsec so no, it is not a last resort. Its the only option people have.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#147 - 2015-05-31 20:19:09 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:

So you're saying Venture, Retriever and Mackinaw ganks don't happen, (nearly) empty freighter ganks also don't happen? Given that they do, easily proven just not through kb links on this forum, your statement is false.


So, your claim is that ganking is broken because it still happens at all?

I feel fairly confident in telling you that you're not only playing the game wrong, you're playing the wrong game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#148 - 2015-05-31 20:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Roden
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:

Ganking should be a last resort option where the cost and repercussions are so high that it's only logical do to in personal or really worthwhile situations.


That's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong.


Yes it's an opinion and as opinions go it can't really be wrong in this regard, it's not to your liking obviously but "wrong"? No.


Your opinion is wrong, ganking is the only way you get piracy in highsec so no, it is not a last resort. Its the only option people have.


Really?
Mission busting works fine
can flipping still works (yes, there's till idiots with cans out)
wardecs also work and you can make money with it if you do it right

What you're saying is that ganking is EASIER than those other, existing, options. Which is, indirectly, pretty much my point: it's too easy still. And, of course the big thing is that ganking like that is "many vs few" which is what the hilarious clown coalitions really like because otherwise it would just be scary.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#149 - 2015-05-31 20:37:24 UTC
If you hadn't already disqualified yourself from this subject when you admitted that you don't know how to defend freighters, talking about can flipping like it's still a thing would have.

You're digging yourself deeper, and you're going to need a shovel fairly soon.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#150 - 2015-05-31 20:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Roden
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you hadn't already disqualified yourself from this subject when you admitted that you don't know how to defend freighters, talking about can flipping like it's still a thing would have.

You're digging yourself deeper, and you're going to need a shovel fairly soon.


Why would that be, because you ran out of arguments or because you actually have a case?

People still jetcan, moreso than most folks realise and you can still do it fine. It's just that it's less restricted as it was before the crimewatch changes (I'm not a fan at all of most of those changes) but it still works fine, you just need to be a bit more careful. There's now more risk involved, this may scare you, but at the same time you also have more possible targets.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#151 - 2015-05-31 20:42:11 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:

Ganking should be a last resort option where the cost and repercussions are so high that it's only logical do to in personal or really worthwhile situations.


That's your opinion, and your opinion is wrong.


Yes it's an opinion and as opinions go it can't really be wrong in this regard, it's not to your liking obviously but "wrong"? No.


Your opinion is wrong, ganking is the only way you get piracy in highsec so no, it is not a last resort. Its the only option people have.


Really?
Mission busting works fine
can flipping still works (yes, there's till idiots with cans out)
wardecs also work and you can make money with it if you do it right

What you're saying is that ganking is EASIER than those other, existing, options. Which is, indirectly, pretty much my point: it's too easy still. And, of course the big thing is that ganking like that is "many vs few" which is what the hilarious clown coalitions really like because otherwise it would just be scary.


Mission running has nothing to do with piracy.
can flipping has nothing to do with piracy
war decs are not instant nor will people continue to haul while they are active. They are also useless vs npc corps.

The only way to pirate shipping is to gank them.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#152 - 2015-05-31 20:44:15 UTC
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#153 - 2015-05-31 20:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Magnus Roden wrote:

Why would that be, because you ran out of arguments or because you actually have a case?


Because you are arguing from a position of total ignorance, willing ignorance at that.

Magnus Roden wrote:
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.



You lie.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#154 - 2015-05-31 20:45:40 UTC
Magnus Roden wrote:
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.



None of those activities are piracy.
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
#155 - 2015-05-31 20:50:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Magnus Roden wrote:
Piracy is about making profit with your pvp, mission busting, can flipping and wardeccing can make good cash. I've been running 5-7 accounts since 2007 (since I started doing this) all plexed up and paid for with piracy and some combat exploration on the side.



None of those activities are piracy.


Really now, what's your idea of piracy. Being -10?

Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#156 - 2015-05-31 20:52:35 UTC
Why is everyone talking to that forum alt? Does not look like he has something new to say. It's basically the same stuff he said with his last forum alt when he derailed the last thread which was not about ISK tanking.

Evil RatKid
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#157 - 2015-05-31 20:56:23 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Why is everyone talking to that forum alt? Does not look like he has something new to say. It's basically the same stuff he said with his last forum alt when he derailed the last thread which was not about ISK tanking.


Curious, which one do you think it is? It's not Basil, he hasn't ranted about "grief decs" or how docking in an exploit, so I'm not sure which one of the usual carebear trolls it might be.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sykaotic
Doomheim
#158 - 2015-05-31 20:56:37 UTC
I am neutral on this

but anyways I say...

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#159 - 2015-05-31 20:58:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Why is everyone talking to that forum alt? Does not look like he has something new to say. It's basically the same stuff he said with his last forum alt when he derailed the last thread which was not about ISK tanking.


Curious, which one do you think it is? It's not Basil, he hasn't ranted about "grief decs" or how docking in an exploit, so I'm not sure which one of the usual carebear trolls it might be.

How am I supposed to remember his name? This carebears look all the same Smile

Evil RatKid
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#160 - 2015-05-31 21:00:42 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Why is everyone talking to that forum alt? Does not look like he has something new to say. It's basically the same stuff he said with his last forum alt when he derailed the last thread which was not about ISK tanking.


Curious, which one do you think it is? It's not Basil, he hasn't ranted about "grief decs" or how docking in an exploit, so I'm not sure which one of the usual carebear trolls it might be.

How am I supposed to remember his name? This carebears look all the same Smile


You have a point. They all end up saying the same thing anyway(talk about your broken records), so eventually they do kind of blend together.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.