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So given that it's so trivial as you put it you won't mind if it gets changed?

Orca kill 29th in Uedama: Total value 728,841,031.56 ISK. l
Charon kill 29th in Uedama: Total value 1,560,529,869.47 ISK.
Charon kill 29th in Uedama: Total value 2,630,136,876.97 ISK.
Charon kill 29th in Uedama: Total value 2,039,910,230.92 ISK.
Fenrir kill 29th in Uedama: Total value 2,252,996,224.26 ISK.

Given the people and effort required only one of those really was worth it and at least two of those were full lulz kills. None of them were war related yet they happened anyway. And that's just one system.

Hate to break it to you but um aint video games about lulz??
Like wtf are you playimg a MMORPG about internet spaceships and crying cuz someone else gets lulz blowing ships up in that game?

Its a freaking video game! It is exactly for lulz!

Except the hyperdunkers like to use implants when they've bumped a target off grid and sat there ganking happily...

The one that remains could have been profitable with maximum luck, so “lulz” doesn't seem particularly applicable. It looks more like a case of “learn how to count the number of figures on the value calculator, ffs!”

So yeah. Liar.

…and you failed once again to realise that the point you're trying to push would go against the overall argument you're trying to make. If it is so trivial, then it is pointless to change even if there was a reason to do so (which there isn't, as you continue to prove).

It doesn't make sense because it does not in any way serve CONCORD's purpose. Why on earth should CONCORD — a mechanic that defines the entire concept of highsec — in any way be in line with a NPC (i.e. a target, not an environment-defining mechanic) that has been added to provide a more advanced prey for ratters? They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. You might as well ask why sov isn't in line with target painters on the reasoning that are involved in conflicts.

No. The answer is always “lol, you got podkilled in low, where it is almost impossible to not get away!? n00b!” — an answer, by the way, which would not be applicable to CONCORD (but is curiously applicable to victims of hyperganking… that would explain the foot-stomping on their part too, I suppose).

You still fail on the most basic level: to demonstrate even the slightest shred of a need to increase any of the costs related to ganks. Before you manage that, there is no reason for CONCOR to do anything other than what they're currently doing, and even once you do, podding is so far down the list that it's almost silly since (as you accidentally managed to argue) it wouldn't change anything.

So you're basically just arguing that CONCORD should remove legitimate gameplay for no cogent reason. No. Think up something else.

Incorrect. Bumping is legal gameplay as CCP has very explicitly made clear over and over and over again. What you consider something as is superbly irrelevant.

Incorrect. They have banned people for harassment and for POS bowling. It is the end result that is not allowed, not the act itself.

Incorrect. They can warp just fine, just not in the original direction of travel. In fact, warping while experiencing lateral movement is a key part in one of the most effective counter-gank strategies.

Incorrect. There is plenty of other recourse and it too has been explicitly made clear over and over and over again. People just choose to not defend themselves and instead whine about how their decision has left them defenceless.

Wonder no more: it is legal and purposefully built into the system. It is there (and has been cleared) for both sides to use.

Not really. All you do is change what it is you're aligned to.

Incorrect. All it has to do is warp off in the current direction. There is no such thing as “lateral movement” — there is only a vector of travel (which is independent of the direction your ship is pointing) — and if your'e at speed, you can just warp off along that vector.

Conclusion: not just painfully ignorant, but a troll. Glad you cleared that one up.

Yeah, no. The only thing those have in common with warping is that you don't understand how any of them work.

PVP is not consensual in this game, no matter what system you might be located in. Lowsec is not an arena, and hisec is not a park. Bumping, hyperdunking, suicide ganking, wardecs.. all of these are not just tactics that are "tolerated" by CCP, they are explicitly called out as not being exploits.

This clarification has been made in writing because folks like yourself simply aren't getting the message.

PVP means people will use any legal means necessary to destroy your ship. PVP is war. It's not war in some real life scenario, it's war in a video game. This means that there are no rules, and everything that is within the EULA is fair game.



All your unarmed hauler is, is a target. If you can't make the trip without getting blown up, then use services like Red Frog who happen to love gankers. The pro space truckers love gankers. The ones that get blown up don't. Have you considered that the haulers complaining about gankers aren't particularly good at their profession?

If you aren't good at something, and complaining is your solution, I think it is time to find a new EVE profession or a new game.

The change of making npc/concord pod kill.

I'd not call "5 freighters and an orca in just one system on one day" rare, especially not given how most of them aren't exactly worthwhile and it, as you put it, doesn't tend to be the busiest day of the week.