EVE General Discussion

i agree somewhat, wardecs are not the only problem though, you mention risk vs reward yet the faucet of incursions and how much isk they farm safely is never challenged, incursion runners if they make these corps with "more tools" then they should be wardeccable because you are streamlinin the activity which is the highest paid an is farmed constantly without any significant risk, this can only be a good thing for these sort of players and really just buffs incursions once again.

Incursions are quite big and admittedly highsec ones do need a bit of a look at, but then they are limited and generally require you to be in a shiny enough ship that you're at a heavy risk of ganking anyway. I don't believe that incursion groups will really grow from having social tools, since the tools to connect in incursions is only a fraction of what you need to join. NPSI groups like spectre are wide open for new players, while incursion groups require you to have a pretty good idea of what you are doing.

The biggest hindrance to incursions would be competing incursion groups, just like how competing miners, traders, industrialists and LP farmers cut into each others profits. The problem is that most people don't want to do incursions because they take a significant amount of dedication to do them.

The thing is, EVE is a min-max game. Whatever mechanics are put in, people will always find the best way to maximise their gains for the minimum risk and effort. If they were wardeccable, incursions would just continue running as they are now, you'd still complain that they were OP, we just would have roflstomped all over a feature that would benefit NPSI groups for nothing.

Then go back and read the thread.

you talking about goonswarm, yea its lame

Except it's not. It's giving all players regardless of playstyle improved social tools. Just like how all players got improved industry tools and all players got improved graphics, all players will get this. And it's coming no matter how much you kick and scream, so get over it.

its not really kicking and screamin its called having a constructive opinion, just like yours

Ask CCP.

Personally I think there's plenty of combat and villain tools. It's not like you're short on options when choosing to be a villain these days. I suppose what you're really asking is "when are they going to add tools to make it ludicrously easy for me to kill more noobs" to which the answer is probably going to be "never". Either way it's irrelevant because you feeling so hard done by isn't a reason to halt game development.

Note: Tipa and Tyberius, I haven't responded specifically to the "cherry picking targets" and "signal to noise" ratio argument in this post. I'll have to think about it some more.





Logi assisting wartargets will inherit (1) Limited Engagement Timer, (2) Weapons Timer, (3) Capsuleer Log-oif Timer. This means you can shoot them while they are trapped in space. This is true for the wartarget.

Now, I believe what you're saying is (1) the wartarget will likely be an unarmed ship, and (2) these timers are not transferred in a way that allows the Corpies of the wartarget to freely attack the neutral logi. Is that what you're saying? I agree this is a broken mechanic.





EVE is a nonconsensual PVP game. If you don't agree with this fundamental concept, we are at an impasse. Fixing wardecs does not in any way involve removing nonconsensual PVP. Whether or not these players like it, people will shoot at them wherever they might be in space. If a player is uncomfortable with this notion, then I doubt EVE is the game for them.

I used the phrase "when you are in space". When you are in space, you cannot opt out of PVP. This is a hard and fast rule of EVE. Nothing will and should be done to change this. Do you disagree?

As for your statement I underlined, I feel that wardec immunity is a hugely profitable buff that should be removed. I'm not arguing that wardecs and decc dodging don't need to be fixed. They do need to be fixed. But giving immunity because a mechanic is broken is not a good design philosophy in my opinion. Fix the mechanic. Delete the immunity.

Edit: fixed an adjective

Edit 2: Ok that was another post and I got confused. I think it's time to go back to studying!

And that cost is not commensurate with the benefit received. That needs to be addressed.

You know, game balance. That thing you hate.