Player Features and Ideas Discussion

T2 Battleship - CVE - Carrier Escort

Rokh Hull - Hydra Class CVE
Manufacturer - Ishukone

Taking a cue from the Marauder Class Battleship The Hydra is the first in the series of battleships now open to capusleers that uses the Bastion Module to mimic a triage carrier but a more offensively useful one.

The Hydra has a drone bay and a fighter bay

While in Bastion Mode The hydra gets +100% to local repair systems; immunity to electronic warfare and +100% to the effectiveness of remote repair systems. It can still use fighters or fighter bombers but not drones. +33% to all resistances.

Bonuses Per Level

Caldari Battleship:
4% Shield Resistance
7.5% shield HP

Carrier Escort: (only active in bastion mode)
10% to fighter damage and hit points and optimal range
25% to remote shield and remote hull repair systems

Slot Layout

4 hi
8 med
6 Low
(2) Rigs

Maelstom Hull - Rakshasa Class CVE
Manufacturer - Core Complexion

Bonuses Per Level

Minmatar Battleship:
7.5% Shield Boost Amount
10% to drone HP and damage per level

Carrier Escort: (only active in Bastion Mode)
10% to fighter damage and hit points and MWD speed
25% to remote shield and remote armor repair systems

Slot Layout

5
7
6
(2)

Abaddon Hull - Emissary Class CVE
Manufacturer - Khanid Innovations

Bonuses Per Level

Amarr Battleship
4% Armor resistances
10% Armor HP

Carrier Escort: (only active in Bastion Mode)
10% to fighter damage and hit points and tracking
25% to remote armor and remote hull repair systems

Slot Layout

4
6
8
(2)

Hyperion Hull - Boreas Class CVE
Manufacturer - Roden Shipyards

Bonuses Per Level

Gallente Battleship:
10% Hull HP
10% to drone HP and damage

Carrier Escort: (only active in Bastion Mode)
12.5% to fighter damage and hit points and -10% to signature radius
15% to remote shield, remote hull and remote armor repair systems

Slot Layout

5
6
7
(2)

(Maximum locked targets - 5 + Skills For All)

How would this contribute to the overall gameplay at all? The random ship bonuses and everything doesn't mean anything unless you explain the reasoning behind it.

is your reasoning to justify this redundancy also in the text? because i didn't see it

Exactly what gap are you trying to fill here?

Fighters (let alone fighter bombers) on a sub-cap hull, EWAR immunity and T2 battleship tanks with large resistance bonuses and access to the Bastion module has got to be one of the most OP combinations I have ever seen suggested. If these ever came into being we would probably just be using carriers for transport and forget about logistics cruisers altogether.

So some detailed explanation of what gap exists that needs these monsters to fill it would be useful because I just don't see it from your explanation.

snake breaks 1000/1100 easily on cruise.

Or as I saw in an AT last year run 3 of these and they run a spider chain rep setup pretty decent. Took a while to break up a 3 man setup as I recall in one match.




Not sure these peeps eve saw what massive leap a carrier is. Its a floating tank really. Spec'd right BS's get equal if not greater damage. Its just you can plop these in a haven/sanctum and not watch the tank so much really.

Also never saw what I think these people think is the gap to them. Its the triage boost and jump. 2 more actions really. The jump is the only major shift. One one should be used to if anytime in a titan based home. Gets ample time to work jumping. Some seat time as the cyno pilot....you work that angle too. Do all this for a bit grinding carrier....you walk in knowing a fair bit really. If shaky on the process....fire up sisi and play with a carrier for waaaaaaaaaaaay less isk really.

Everything else imo is covered really. Good cap home will tell the bare minimum fuels needed for planned jumping and cycles. want to bring more, have at it. Still have that magic number fed by planners. Rest of it.....is follow simple orders. When FC says NO MORE DAMN CYCLES.....its kind of self explanatory really. Don't be the idiot who goes 1 more cycles aye sir....and the world a better place really.

This does not have a coherent theme to the ship bonuses.
There is no reason besides "CVEs existed, so we should have them"
The resist and HP bonuses heterodyne into a tank which is absolutely recockulous.
We have enough problems balancing t2 drone cruisers, now you want to add fighter battleships.
This post is known to the state of California to cause brain cancer.

Not supported. -4 and a joke.

the caldari alone is a wtf case really.

As T2 bases itself on t1 for at least one bonus. As they are stripping off guns of rokh. Leaves only one bonus to carry over....4% per level resists. I'll take that hang on bonus with ghetto triage boosts lol. Weak on the stacking admitted but base hull (with skill) + resist boost of "triage" outside stacking maths (someone please correct if wrong). Now th fun begins with resist mods and rigs. And hell give it some resist links for fun and profit.


Funny thing is I am usually open minded to an idea that gave me a t2 rokh. I want it that bad. But.....not this bad lol.

I stopped reading when you said battleship can use fighter bombers
-1000 for the very thought of that

also here several other points that garner a big red No from me:
- bastion modules are specific to marauders, it should stay that way the same way no other hull can use siege/triage
- Super DPS logi, because logic and reasons
- 8 mediums and 6 lows? Get real
- failure to explain the point of this, or even what caused you to think of it
- ishukone hulls
- the post in general

the only thing i even liked about this post was the name "hydra" because then i could name it Heil

Not supported. You are looking for a solution to a problem that does not exist.

While I agree we need T2 BS hulls in this game I do not at all agree with what you have suggested here. One of the worst things CCP ever did was allow weapon/logistics systems to be used cross platform from their intended hulls. Bombers are super specific, fighters are carrier specific - this needs to stay with no more crossover than between those two hull types.

Simply put, T2 BS hulls should be crossed with their corresponding racial Ewar as a secondary to their repair services.
Amarr: Tracking disruption
Caldari: ECM
Gallente: Sensor damps
Minmatar: Target painting

Bastion is a miniature siege modules, while I agree it can, for the purposes of smaller BS hulls, be giving a multi purpose rather than introducing a new "triage" type modules. Such that each T2 hull to be released will also be focused around use of this module to boost their respective roles. Typically involving improved range and application of the involved system with an increase to local tank in exchange for complete immobility and loss of remote assistance.



Once we fill the power gap between sub caps and capitals we can then look to properly balancing capital hulls. In my opinion starting by vastly increasing build requirements of carriers more on the lines of a dreadnought. Then a 1 billion isk battleship hull compared to a 3 billion isk carrier/dread won't seem out of line. Ending with boosting capital ship power levels back up with an emphasis on their given roles. Carriers: logistics, dreads: damage/application, supers: mini-squadron, titans: cap superiority