EVE General Discussion

If nothing else, aggregate corp and alliance killmails to see how much isk they spend to score their kills. That will tell you how 'hard' a pvp corp is, or how 'hard' an alliance is.

Killmailers are just carebears hiding behind numbers. 800 million isk in hardware to score a 40mil kill? weaksauce.

PvP a gang that can take out a Vaga with a 'rax and a hawk, an aggregate ratio like that makes the REAL pvp'ers shine.

I don't know if PVP would improve, but it certainly could help small gangs.


In several situations I should have been ganked hard enough to crash the hard drive, but did not, because the team that outnumbered me fell apart from fear.


And I am not that scarey or good.

What happened was, while good as dead up against the entire team, there was no guarantee against me taking out at least one of them in the process.

So half of them warped away - maybe to get as bigger ship? - because they didn't want to be "the lossmail" of the incident.

Since I don't spend much time in gank culture, based one what is publicly seen thus far, there is pressure to kill and not get killed and such "sacrifice plays" of taking one for the team are therefore considered detrimental. So if you are the one getting popped all of the time, even if the target is successfully destroyed and the ships you lose are mainly cheapies, it looks like you will still draw the ire of your corps or friends, get called a failure, etc.

So because of that, even a small team or PVP corp is comprised of people are are still looking out only for themselves - or to be more accurate: only for their "stats".

While there is something certainly wrong with that, such childishness has kept my ship in one piece, so perhaps we can leave it as an element of PVP that is in fact playing against the fears of those who are worried about how "leet" they are. The sword has a second edge.

Killmails need more iteration. More information like location in space, who was remote assisting, etc. Not a nerf! Removing or reducing the amount of information will not change a thing as far as players running from fights or blobbing. Your entire issue is the corporation/alliance you are a part of. So instead of crying about kill mails on the forums, perhaps you need to find a new corporation/alliance.

Perhaps the biggest issue is you don't want to fight for anything and would be better off playing Candy Land where everyone is a winner.

Again, no. Guerrilla warfare is the only way to fight. Suicide missions are for movies like "The Expendables".

In addition to that, you can see what anybody flys simply by killing them yourself.

Oh the rage, oh all the emotions from them! I can see those tear griefers already sobbing because of the hypothetical removal of killmails.

To be fair, OP does have a point when he says that a fear of permanently recorded losses can make players risk averse and thereby stifle pvp.

Like most - if not all - things in life, however, there are good and bad points to this. Personally, I like it because I think fear of loss is at the core of what this game is about. Guys, CCP have made some mistakes but the core model of the game is truly very special. Let's not try to find problems where there aren't any.

It would help PvP to remove mails from system, but I fear the rabble have become too attached to their daily/weekly e-peen shots for such a move to garner much support.

For me the Intel bit is the gimp brother of the problem, the much bigger problem is the publicly available K:D ratio and ISK-loss stats that outright keep people from engaging before they are guaranteed a win (read: blob the snot out of you) .. the quality fights that has me on the edge of my seat are incredibly rare these days, in large part due to the irrational fear of "tanking ones stats".

- Intel bit can be solved by blanking mails, only give a list of what dropped and let people use the awesome science of guesstimate to figure out what they just killed.
- Fear of "Da Stats!" can not be solved except by removal of mails or by redacting them so heavily that keeping them around become kind of naff.

Hopefully CCP will soon fulfil their 6+ year old promise (from before I even joined!) and create mechanics that cater directly to the small gang and mails lose some of the power .. until then there is not much to do other than ignore them, falsify them (BAD DOG!) or abuse them.