These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page12
 

RE: Cruiser killing Rokh?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#21 - 2015-05-30 08:47:57 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Splinter Unit wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.



I am definitely not new to PVP, i dont have the killmails to prove it but i tend to do anything and everything missiles. I am very new to hybrid guns and after scouring the internet on PVP battleships, they dont really seem to exists that much. They are mainly used for PVE. You would figure that battleships would be used to defend a nullsec system against cruiser fleets but the trueth i think is that PVP ships really tend to end with cruisers. Thank you for your help




See my post here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=424059&find=unread

Apparently the class sux except for Gallente hulls, Armageddon, and a few faction Battleships(mostly Gallente based).



The class doesn't suck you're just bad at the game. The Rokh is one of the few battleships that isn't truly terrible, but doesn't have the slot layout for a proper mix of tank/dps/tracking for anything remotely solo. Even with that it does and has appeared in doctrines.Alpha Fleet, Pipe Bombing Newbie Incursion fittings. You can also do terribly fun things like this and catch some people off gaurd



[Rokh, RHML Nuet]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Stasis Webifier II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

478 dps is pretty meh but you get the bonus of 4 heavy nuets and frontloaded dps



[Rokh, RHML Nuet]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5



502 dps but you have to downgrade a fair bit and really its not that much more of a punch.


Yes there are ships that are better at pve or pvp but sometimes its fun just destroying someone with a good troll fit.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#22 - 2015-05-30 08:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Agreed. That post and subsequent par-broiling is sublimely satisfying.
Do go there.
My favorite parts (spoiler) were the videos of battleships and one of a marauder just whooping and a stomping all over the place.
Glorious.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#23 - 2015-05-30 09:01:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Gh0stBust3rs
Whats even funnier in the 2 minutes it took me to put those together I looking over my pyfa and realized there isnt a single battleship in the game I don't have at least 1 fit for.

Doesn't matter if its a pvp, pve or a lol fit like those. So obviously your doing something wrong if you think the entire class and line suck.

Other then the slow warp times(remind to kick Fozzie in the nuts if I ever meet him) They are designed from the ground up to be potentially punishing platforms.



Fleet fits hit 180k ehp on average(I low balled it. Some get more some get less)

Fleet fits generally push out at least 500 dps out to 120-140km(Again lowballed because of the variable doctrines)
-
Good PVE fits tank just enough to survive and can pump out up to 800-1000 dps. (T1 Ships, Obviously the Faction/Navy you can milk more)(Showing 900 on the drone/cruise geddon that would tank Forsaken Hubs pretty easily approx 70-90m/ hr)


So honestly I have no clue what your gripe is about battleships? You shouldn't even be considering one until your at 8m sp.(still pretty low) and most of the skills for it will help with other ships be it hacs/ T3s/ Recons/ Carriers/Dreads/ other Battleships.

The only skills for battleships that only affect a certain ship is the Racial Skill and the corresponding weapon systems. Considering you can mix and match races with weapons to a point even those arent truly wasted skills.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#24 - 2015-05-30 09:19:43 UTC
Also now onto the OP

[Rokh, Rokh Blasters]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II



Kinda a mixture between Baltec1's Ideas and a few of mine. What you have here is 611 dps if you can catch something in web scram range. T2 rigs arent that expensive and your already looking at 200+m for the hull. Its also about the best you will be able to track anything considering the hull has no cooked in tracking bonuses. Also while your dps is better then the RHML fit your engagement range is greatly reduced. Again considering the cooked in hull bonuses(No damage/Tracking) You can do just about anything with it.


[Rokh, Rokh AC]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator II


Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-601

566 dps but you get the added bonus of increased tracking ability to spit lead everywhere and selectable damage type(EM Therm, or Explosive)
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#25 - 2015-05-30 09:25:46 UTC
side note.. If I were to go out soling in a battleship at a minimum I would have 3% hardwirings for my weapon system Again maybe a 50m investment that would allow me to hit/track harder.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2015-05-30 16:42:54 UTC
[Rokh, Rokh fit]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5

I'm gonna buy one. Thanks OP, you managed to get me distracted from my dread plansUgh
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#27 - 2015-05-30 17:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Aza Ebanu wrote:
See my post here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=424059&find=unread

Apparently the class sux except for Gallente hulls, Armageddon, and a few faction Battleships(mostly Gallente based).


Some serious reading comprehension going on here. Literally each pilot older than six months giving you arguments why battleships are good, needed, necessary for certain situations, or generally superior to any T1 cruiser in a 1v1, yet you fail to interpret the input on such a massive scale it's simply amazing.
Previous page12